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and good afternoon folks thank you for

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tuning in

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to arcane radio the podcast of the

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paranormal that

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tries to bring you the best and the

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latest

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in the world of the strange and

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unexplained i'm sean forker

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of course my good friend and your good

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friend the pulse of the paranormal long

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strickler is joining me lon how are you

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doing

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day

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it is very lovely temperatures nice just

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a little cloudy here but

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otherwise uh pretty beautiful in the

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susquehanna river valley

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yeah we're down here in the chesapeake

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we're sunny and

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it's a little warmer what normally was

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but uh

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i love it you know what a tumultuous

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week for

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us here in the states you know another a

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sweeping victory by the republicans and

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i don't know what that means for us but

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i guess we'll find out i guess we'll

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find out but above and beyond that lon

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uh because i was following the news this

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week because of the politics

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how about that asinine story

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out of fort lauderdale that 90 year old

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man arrested

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for feeding the homeless yeah

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you know i i saw mention i did notice

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that and uh i don't know

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you know we do live in this world where

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uh it seems like

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the the thing that you should do

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isn't standard now i mean it's uh you

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know it's

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all politically motivated and

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uh i don't know i i don't know what to

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think about it it's just sad

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well it irritates the hell out of me you

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know and and i guess it's kind of

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personal for me my grandparents at least

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three times a week

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volunteer at a local uh

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place where they feed the hungry uh

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three times a week to give them you know

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a decent meal

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and my grandparents volunteer there and

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they're in their seventies this man's 90

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co you know about 20 years their senior

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year and you know they're doing what

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they were taught to do when they were

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you know when they were kids and that's

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how you know love your neighbor help

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them out

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and now these people are being arrested

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the man treated like a criminal mr

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arnold abbott

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uh he was arrested two times in one week

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along with two local pastors and he's

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the founder of the love thy neighbor

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foundation and he fought in 1999 against

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fort lauderdale for a very similar

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situation but when this man was arrested

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he was told to drop the plate

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immediately like it was some sort of

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weapon a plate of food that he had

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prepared for you know the people and

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they're feeding about 300 folks lon

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and on october 22nd fort lauderdale made

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a uh public food sharing against the law

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punishable by 60 days in jail in a 500

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fine well i i'm quite sure

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it's the powers to be in the town or the

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you know the uh the city because it's uh

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you know this just seems like one of

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these laws that

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somebody brought up at a council meeting

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and it got pushed through and

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you know then everybody's got to suffer

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for it because somebody didn't like to

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see people sitting out

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you know seeing out and being an eyesore

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absolutely ridiculous

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you know and that's what it's coming to

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unfortunately and it's happened it does

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yeah uh the national coalition for the

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report reported in october that there

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in the number of cities that have passed

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legislation to restrict food sharing

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that's ridiculous it is 47 in a time

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where unemployment was on the rise

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uh the economy is still not in great

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shape people are having a hard time

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finding jobs

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which is just the biggest crock of [\h__\h]

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but if you want to make a difference

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954-828-5003

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and that's the number to the mayor's

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office of fort lauderdale

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and voice your displeasure with the

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rulings

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fellow well and the two pastors that

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were arrested just ridiculous and i

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don't use this as a public forum too

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to promote some sort of political clause

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or a cause but you know when something

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like that's going on

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you know people need food and you know

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thing you need to do is arrest them

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because they can't afford to have food

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arresting the people providing it for

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well you know you see on tv all the time

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you know they want you to send money to

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help kids and families in other

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you know then they then they don't even

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want you to feed the people that need it

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here in the united states that's it it

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is it is really sad

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less and less people have gotten

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involved with it you know i don't know

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for the exact reasons why i don't know

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if there's a liability

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reason behind it but um

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this type of thing is just it is just

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it is and you know i personally

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i don't believe that we should ever be

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legislating laws that make it more

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difficult for people or families

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to be fed or be comfortable well you

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homeless in the hungry we just don't

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want to see them see them eating out on

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you know so it i don't know it's just

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precious time here in the show to talk

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about it but we needed to because it we

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we have to be talking about things like

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this it's it's a human

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rights you know issue it's a humanity

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issue and one thing you and i are

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passionate about lana's people

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and the world we live in but moving on

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uh you posted some interesting articles

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this week one you sent me via facebook

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messenger involving our good friend

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katie elizabeth and dennis

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up at lake champlain whale perhaps lugo

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the fact is

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that there is beluga whale activity in

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lawrence seaweed there is a connection

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you know how deep the connection is

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i think it's probably possible you know

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katie had talked about

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there being uh tunnels connecting to the

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uh also that there were aquifers as well

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you know from comparison with other uh

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other sonic readings and um

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they do know whatever is in there

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does move around in groups

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now the fact that they haven't seen any

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blowhole activity kind of makes it

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difficult to believe it in a way

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but then again i don't know you know

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i'm kind of stumped you know it kind of

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i saw it i saw it yesterday

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and it kind of surprised me so i i got a

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and she says that they think it you know

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very similar to that there uh so

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possibility but uh

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we'll see yeah i mean people have

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uh things surfacing at the lake briefly

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we're you know not close enough or

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paying attention enough to notice

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some sort of discharge from it but i i

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everything is definitely a possibility

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it very well may be a very well maybe

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interesting to think about

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and the fact that they are getting these

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readings and

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that there has there have been so many

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sightings of whatever

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interesting story and i know she'll keep

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us informed on the latest updates and

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another thing law and i saw

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on phantoms and monsters this week that

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horrendous infestation of orb weaver

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you know i think those i think

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that picture those pictures are a couple

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years old but

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it um they finally got got around

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they're reporting it

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paper mill recycling factory

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and we used to have the same problem

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with these things and they will get up

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they are hell to get down uh they're

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in the story it'll pull

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it'll pull fluorescent lighting down uh

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uh the midge and

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uh mayfly activity comes off the water

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fed which you know where i worked at we

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were right beside patapsco

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so um yeah and they get to be a pro

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especially where i was

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they get to be a real problem because it

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webs

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and you get the right conditions that

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things will light up

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i didn't think about that the paper dust

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combustible but you did notate that in

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that's got to be a pretty still just

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00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:16,399
imagine walking into that place and

284
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seeing it it's like your most

285
00:10:22,949 --> 00:10:21,279
horrifying nightmare yeah

286
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i don't know if i could do it what do

287
00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,480
you got for this week

288
00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:26,640
oh i i don't know i got i got a few

289
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things uh

290
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well the most the most important one was

291
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an article written

292
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for me by david hose down in florida

293
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he's uh

294
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he has written a couple other stories

295
00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:39,680
about florida

296
00:10:46,949 --> 00:10:43,839
bizarre activity and uh he offered this

297
00:10:50,150 --> 00:10:46,959
this week he called it the return of the

298
00:10:52,949 --> 00:10:50,160
okeechobee ogre yeah i saw that

299
00:10:53,590 --> 00:10:52,959
yeah so um he wrote that a florida

300
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couple from

301
00:10:59,269 --> 00:10:57,200
palmdale had just reported their recent

302
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sighting of a large hairy

303
00:11:02,550 --> 00:11:01,920
bigfoot like creature they spotted the

304
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creature

305
00:11:06,069 --> 00:11:04,640
while they were camping along fish

306
00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:06,079
eating creek

307
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close to lakeport florida

308
00:11:13,269 --> 00:11:11,120
they were camping near some indian

309
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mounds not far from the site

310
00:11:17,750 --> 00:11:16,880
of fort center an area that saw heavy

311
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fighting

312
00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:21,040
during the second seminal wars lakeport

313
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is a small retirement and fishing

314
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community

315
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on the west side of lake okeechobee

316
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the mounds are considered a sacred site

317
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sacred site

318
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for native americans and contain

319
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artifacts along with human remains

320
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there is a small artificial lake among

321
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the mounds that is believed to be a

322
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charnel pond for human corpses

323
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now this couple reported hearing and

324
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then seeing

325
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a large hairy beast outside of their

326
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tent

327
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in the middle of the night and the next

328
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morning they found a carcass of a

329
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partially eaten deer nearby

330
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just for the record my mother-in-law was

331
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in hazelton around that time

332
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oh okay um they also found

333
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some long-range brown hairs

334
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on a branch although it has now been

335
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mostly forgotten back in the late

336
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1990s the lakeport area was the

337
00:12:23,750 --> 00:12:22,079
epicenter of a wave of skunk cape

338
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sightings

339
00:12:27,829 --> 00:12:26,160
now the first sighting which wasn't

340
00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:27,839
widely reported

341
00:12:32,389 --> 00:12:30,680
happened early one morning in 1995 or

342
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1996.

343
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two hunters and their dogs are traveling

344
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by boat

345
00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:38,560
down fish eating creek intending to hunt

346
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on

347
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ranch land that boarded both sides of

348
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the creek

349
00:12:47,590 --> 00:12:45,440
they were hunting without

350
00:12:49,509 --> 00:12:47,600
they were hunting illegally so they were

351
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trying to sneak in and out

352
00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:52,880
without being seen as they traveled down

353
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the creek

354
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in their boat they heard something on

355
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the shore

356
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and then caught a bad scent thinking it

357
00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:02,079
might be wild hogs the hunters steered a

358
00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:03,760
boat to the shore

359
00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:06,160
and the hunter up front prepared to jump

360
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:07,600
out however

361
00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:10,880
the dog refused to leave the boat

362
00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:12,560
the hunter finally jumped on the shore

363
00:13:17,190 --> 00:13:14,320
and his flashlight shown

364
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on a large creature covered in dark hair

365
00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:19,760
that was standing on its high and legs

366
00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:21,680
the hunter immediately jumped back into

367
00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:23,600
the boat and the other hunter threw the

368
00:13:28,629 --> 00:13:25,200
boat into reverse

369
00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:28,639
and headed back into deeper water

370
00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,079
now they could hear the creature trying

371
00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:33,120
to follow them according to the hunters

372
00:13:37,110 --> 00:13:36,480
that wasn't no bear the first widely

373
00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:37,120
reported

374
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shouting was on november the 2nd 1997

375
00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:45,600
fishing guide ronald mosely was taking a

376
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:47,600
young couple on an airboat door when the

377
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:48,079
woman

378
00:13:53,430 --> 00:13:50,639
saw what she described as someone in an

379
00:13:57,509 --> 00:13:55,430
neither moseley nor her husband saw the

380
00:13:58,870 --> 00:13:57,519
creature which disappeared into the

381
00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:58,880
woods

382
00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:01,760
although the woman's claim was not taken

383
00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:03,040
seriously

384
00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:05,360
two local fishermen had a sighting a few

385
00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:07,519
weeks later

386
00:14:12,389 --> 00:14:10,000
brian hammock claimed that he and his

387
00:14:15,430 --> 00:14:12,399
companion saw a creature emerged

388
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:15,440
from an alligator hole in the bank

389
00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,120
the creature was reported as being

390
00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:19,920
hearing about six to seven foot tall

391
00:14:24,389 --> 00:14:22,399
it left the water and disappeared into

392
00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:24,399
the sawgrass

393
00:14:29,430 --> 00:14:26,880
brian reported going to the area after

394
00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:29,440
his sighting and seeing tracks

395
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,430
by the summer of 1998 there have been

396
00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:39,360
quite a few more sightings of what came

397
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:40,320
to be known

398
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,079
as yokichobi ogre locals were selling

399
00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:45,839
memorabilia and guides were taking

400
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:48,800
visitors on skunk ape tours

401
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:51,120
there was even an ogre webcam according

402
00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:52,800
to the fish camp owner

403
00:14:58,710 --> 00:14:55,839
jim smith his camp was skulk ape

404
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,720
central smith had several sightings of

405
00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:00,480
the creature and made several plastic

406
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:01,600
casts

407
00:15:06,790 --> 00:15:04,959
of prince now according to smith the

408
00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:06,800
creature was about

409
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:09,600
it is about seven foot tall and has a

410
00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:10,639
horrible smell

411
00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:13,360
smith claimed to be leaving fish guts

412
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,360
after the creature eat

413
00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:17,360
over time the settings dropped off the

414
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:19,360
webcam was taken down

415
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:22,639
and the t-shirt stopped selling

416
00:15:27,990 --> 00:15:26,160
the creature disappeared until now

417
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:28,000
so that's the report i got so apparently

418
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:29,279
something's roaming around down there

419
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:30,720
again

420
00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:35,120
um i don't know of this specific area

421
00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:36,880
i don't know if you've ever heard of it

422
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:38,160
or not

423
00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:42,399
uh where you know there being the um

424
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:45,759
um these swampy site of course you know

425
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:48,480
we hear these things all over the place

426
00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:50,639
down in southern florida

427
00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:53,199
so you know i don't know if i ever heard

428
00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:54,800
of the okeechobee ogre

429
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:57,120
but you know we do get a lot of reports

430
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:57,839
of the

431
00:16:02,790 --> 00:15:59,920
you know i guess we would call it the

432
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:02,800
generic skunk ape

433
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,839
uh coming across uh all parts of

434
00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:08,000
florida and uh these are some pretty

435
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,680
good reports i'd like to hear more from

436
00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:10,880
david

437
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:14,560
yeah he does uh he he puts a lot of um

438
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:16,720
effort into his you know in the report

439
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,759
she does it's

440
00:16:21,030 --> 00:16:19,440
it's not all and it's not always cryptid

441
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:21,040
he does uh

442
00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:23,839
he did he did a thing about uh some

443
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:25,680
hauntings in some areas

444
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:28,240
down where he lives that too so uh he's

445
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:28,959
done some

446
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,240
i think this is maybe the third or

447
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:33,519
fourth uh article he's submitted to me

448
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:34,880
i've got a couple people that submit

449
00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:37,519
articles which i'm grateful for

450
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:40,480
grateful for because it brings light a

451
00:16:43,509 --> 00:16:41,360
lot of things

452
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,519
a lot of stories that are not as well

453
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,120
known as uh

454
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:47,040
you know something it doesn't really hit

455
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:48,639
the news that much

456
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:51,040
uh you know as far as maybe crypto or

457
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,639
paranormal world

458
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,519
so um yeah i i'm grateful for that but

459
00:17:00,470 --> 00:16:57,680
this is very fairly interesting

460
00:17:02,550 --> 00:17:00,480
um you know not a lot last so i think it

461
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,560
was last summer where the uh

462
00:17:07,029 --> 00:17:04,640
where they had that multiple sighting of

463
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,039
the uh the skunk cape

464
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,760
down in uh just outside of um i think it

465
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:11,199
was just outside the

466
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,480
clear water not too far in area uh which

467
00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:15,839
is a known area for

468
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,360
skunking settings so um i don't know

469
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:22,079
you know maybe the maybe something that

470
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:23,520
else come up from this area

471
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:26,799
you know uh yokojiri lake

472
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,319
maybe something else will be coming up

473
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:30,400
from there

474
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,600
i don't know we got a lot to talk about

475
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:35,280
today though with our upcoming guest

476
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:38,720
uh lon stan gordon

477
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:40,400
yeah you know stan got a hold of me

478
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:43,520
about uh about three or four weeks ago

479
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,559
and was asking me about uh

480
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:48,880
flying cryptid reports if i had seen or

481
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:50,240
heard anything

482
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,960
and i really hadn't at the time i i had

483
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,400
mentioned

484
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:56,720
that uh on the on the blog that i

485
00:17:58,630 --> 00:17:58,160
haven't been really been seeing that

486
00:18:03,830 --> 00:17:58,640
much

487
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,840
at a conference

488
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,760
and he had people coming up to him

489
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,440
through the whole conference

490
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:10,080
giving him reports of these and i think

491
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,200
most of them are these

492
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,320
giant bat reports in pennsylvania and he

493
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,240
also got one in massachusetts

494
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,640
if i remember correctly so you know he

495
00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:20,160
got a hold of me and wanted to know you

496
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,200
know what

497
00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:23,600
i have been hearing now i did get one

498
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:25,120
last week

499
00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,840
of course with that sighting up near

500
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:29,360
erie uh

501
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:31,120
i don't know you know i still don't know

502
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:32,880
what that was all about

503
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,080
uh this thing looked like a i don't know

504
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:37,520
what it looked like

505
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:39,679
it looked like it looked like the wings

506
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:41,679
looked like it was a bat

507
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,520
but the body itself was kind of odd

508
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,720
looking

509
00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:47,200
and for whatever reason the eyes kind of

510
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:48,559
showed up

511
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,360
though the photo was left a lot to be

512
00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:52,640
desired

513
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,760
so you know i don't know what that is so

514
00:18:59,510 --> 00:18:57,840
but i haven't talked to stan about it

515
00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,520
so i'm interested to think to hear what

516
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,080
he has to say about that

517
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:03,840
me too you know reports of these flying

518
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,160
cryptids in pa have picked up

519
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:08,640
over the last uh last few years in fact

520
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:09,760
you know i live in the

521
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:12,320
northern central part of the state and

522
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:13,840
this area is becoming a

523
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,039
hot spot for flying cryptid uh sightings

524
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,039
and i when i was on my way up to

525
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,320
uh uh an investigation a couple weeks

526
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,520
well actually it's more about a couple

527
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,720
weeks ago it's been about a month

528
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,600
a month and a half ago uh there's some

529
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:29,039
cars pulled off to the side of the road

530
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,760
and up and they were

531
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,440
looking at some eagles flying and one

532
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,799
roosting

533
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:34,400
in a tree and i thought that was pretty

534
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:37,360
cool and it just kind of struck me as

535
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:38,799
we're starting to get an awful lot of

536
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,360
eagles and seeing an awful lot of eagles

537
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,120
up this way so sometimes i wonder maybe

538
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,640
perhaps this is something some of the

539
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:46,320
people are seeing

540
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:50,000
that very well may be i mean um i've had

541
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,280
people that have seen these uh you know

542
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:55,200
have seen turkey buzzards and just flip

543
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:55,600
out

544
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,400
and you know if you if you've never been

545
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,640
close to turkey buzzard

546
00:20:03,430 --> 00:20:02,000
you really don't know how big those

547
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:03,440
things are when they spread their wings

548
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,080
out

549
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:07,280
and uh they they can get quite big

550
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,280
but you know not to the point where

551
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,840
it's something that's cryptid you know

552
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,360
but uh

553
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:18,159
people haven't seen some large birds now

554
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:19,120
i don't know

555
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,360
if it's another type of natural species

556
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:23,840
that's that's coming into the area

557
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,880
i you know i don't know you know some of

558
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:28,720
the reports i've read

559
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:32,080
don't seem to suggest that uh

560
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,240
but you know maybe stan has some

561
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,880
thoughts on that

562
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:39,360
yeah i mean he's been doing this for a

563
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,880
long time

564
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:42,480
you know a little bit about stan gordon

565
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,960
he's got a a pretty decent bio so i'll

566
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:46,799
go ahead and read that now

567
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:49,120
so folks can get familiar with stan

568
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,640
before we bring him on the program you

569
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,480
know stan gordon was trained

570
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:54,720
as an electronics technician who

571
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,760
specialized in radio communications

572
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:59,200
he worked in the advanced consumer

573
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,760
electronic sales field for over 40 years

574
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,280
stan has lived in greenberg

575
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,640
greensburg pennsylvania all his life

576
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,400
gordon began his interest in the ufo

577
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:09,840
subject in other strange

578
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,440
incidents at the age of 10 in 1959

579
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,760
in the late 1960s he's acted as the

580
00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,760
telephone ufo sighting report

581
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,679
investigations coordinator

582
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,440
for the ufo research institute of

583
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,039
pittsburgh

584
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,679
stan began in the field of field

585
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,280
investigations of ufos and other

586
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,320
mysterious events in 1965

587
00:21:33,390 --> 00:21:32,320
and is the primary investigator of the

588
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:33,400
december 9

589
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,600
1965 ufo ufo crash recovery incident

590
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:38,960
that occurred near kecksburg

591
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,559
pennsylvania in 1969 gordon established

592
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:44,880
a ufo hotline for the public to report

593
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,080
ufo sightings to him to investigate

594
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,480
in 1970 gordon founded the westmoreland

595
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:52,400
county ufo study group

596
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:54,240
the first of three volunteer research

597
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,760
groups which he would establish to

598
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,760
investigate ufo sightings

599
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,520
and other strange occurrences reported

600
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,039
in pennsylvania

601
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:04,000
since november 1993 he continues to

602
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:05,600
investigate and document strange

603
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:06,400
incidents

604
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,240
from across the keystone state as an

605
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,559
independent researcher

606
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,720
gordon is a former pa state director for

607
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,480
the mutual ufo network

608
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,960
and was its first recipient in 1987 of

609
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,760
the mufon

610
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,440
emeritus achievement in a ufo

611
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:21,520
investigation award

612
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,720
gordon has been involved with the

613
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,799
investigation of thousands of mysterious

614
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,880
encounters from across pennsylvania

615
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,559
he has appeared on numerous local and

616
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,400
network tv and documentary shows

617
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,240
including the sci-fi channel

618
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,159
discovery channel history channel and

619
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,919
fox news channel

620
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,679
he has been featured on many television

621
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:39,840
shows including unsolved mysteries

622
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,720
sightings

623
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,799
inside additions occur in a fair and

624
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,360
creepy canada

625
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,120
gordon has been the focus of numerous

626
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,520
national and international newspaper

627
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,400
stories

628
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,000
and magazine articles some of which

629
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,360
include the pittsburgh press the

630
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,919
philadelphian choir and the denver post

631
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:57,919
he has been a guest on many national and

632
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,520
international radio shows including the

633
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:01,840
popular show coast to coast

634
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,280
gordon is also the producer of the

635
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,919
award-winning 1998 video documentary

636
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,400
kecksburg the untold story

637
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,919
he's the author of the book's really

638
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:11,840
mysterious pennsylvania and silent

639
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:12,400
invasion

640
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,440
the pennsylvania ufo bigfoot casebook

641
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,039
he has written numerous articles about

642
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,880
ufos and strange encounters and many

643
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,720
books and publications have included his

644
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,080
research as well

645
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:23,520
stan also writes a column for the

646
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,520
quarterly magazine the gate to strange

647
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,120
phenomena

648
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
since the late 1960s gordon has been

649
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,880
lecturing to the public on the ufo

650
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,880
subject presenting illustrated lectures

651
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,600
locally

652
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,120
and nationally to social and

653
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,200
professional groups schools colleges

654
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,880
libraries and conferences

655
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,200
among others some of his lectures uh

656
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,799
topics include a synopsis of the

657
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,480
kecksburg ufo crash

658
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,400
ufo and bigfoot incidents and the

659
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,799
mysterious creature encounters

660
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,640
he was the keynote speaker at the first

661
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,880
world ufo and paranormal expo in denver

662
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,120
colorado in 2004.

663
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,679
stan was a keynote speaker at the 2011

664
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,480
mcminnville

665
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,760
oregon ufo festival speaker at the 2012

666
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,840
east coast mufon ufo conference in

667
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,080
philadelphia and the 2012

668
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,080
mothman festival in point pleasant west

669
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:09,679
virginia

670
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:12,400
stan is included in the 2013 tv series

671
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,960
for doc

672
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,880
uh for a discover channel called alien

673
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,480
mysteries and he went

674
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,120
to canada in 2013 to do an interview

675
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:20,559
with new road media for an upcoming

676
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:23,919
series called close encounters

677
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,799
and that's a lot about stan gordon yeah

678
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:28,480
yeah stan's got quite

679
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:33,039
quite a bio and uh uh

680
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:36,000
he does a lot there it really is uh he's

681
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,039
been around forever

682
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,440
and uh you know i've been oh my god i've

683
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,200
known about stan

684
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:43,120
guy when i even started getting just

685
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,799
when i started even getting into this

686
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:45,440
back in the mid

687
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,880
70s uh he you know there were not a

688
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,640
whole lot of people doing this type of

689
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,360
thing

690
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,679
no it was ballsy at that time no i mean

691
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,520
you know and

692
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,640
back then you know it's funny i wasn't

693
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,000
really into the ufos

694
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,799
you know of course i would you know it

695
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,240
interested me

696
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,520
uh i would read all kinds of

697
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:09,520
crazy stuff that was available like the

698
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,279
george adamski he

699
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,360
hit some of the stuff he had written and

700
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,760
uh but you know when it came to actual

701
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:17,120
reports

702
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:20,640
uh stan was putting stuff out back then

703
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,559
and uh yeah that was

704
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,320
he was kind of he was kind of one of the

705
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,159
only people other than

706
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,840
some of the bigger names like valet or

707
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,600
some of the other ones that were

708
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,279
actually putting this type of material

709
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,279
out so

710
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,760
of course that's where i you know i

711
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:38,799
started learning from

712
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,240
stan a long time ago me too 55 years

713
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:44,480
long a 55-year career

714
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,440
investigating the strange and unusual in

715
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:48,960
the state of pennsylvania and getting

716
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,720
himself some recognition along the way

717
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,960
and i know stan personally

718
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,279
he's a good friend and you know i when i

719
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,880
go to some conferences occasionally i'll

720
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,159
have the opportunity to have dinner with

721
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,799
him and his wife who's such a sweet lady

722
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:03,520
and it's just for me it's an honor and a

723
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,120
privilege to know him because stan is

724
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,720
such a down-to-earth guy

725
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,960
and he just has been somebody that's

726
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,960
follows her passion

727
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,200
for now 55 years started at the age of

728
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:15,039
10 or just about around the age i

729
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,000
started

730
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,320
uh following all this kind of stuff so

731
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,240
that seems to be like the catalyst age

732
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,279
like you start to learn to reason

733
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:25,440
and be interested in the strange and the

734
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:27,039
spooky and the unknown and it becomes

735
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,320
less scary

736
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,159
and more fascinating so you start to

737
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,240
explore things and

738
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,240
for some of us it's it's been so far a

739
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,240
lifetime of fun and for stan

740
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,960
it's definitely a lifetime of fun he's

741
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,720
been doing this for twice as long as

742
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:42,159
i've been on planet earth

743
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,760
you know i'm kind of it kind of started

744
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,840
for me too you know

745
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,720
i went out and would be hunting at age

746
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,039
12 i'd be out there in the woods

747
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:53,679
and you never you know so you see some

748
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,080
things

749
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:56,240
that would kind of get you thinking

750
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,440
especially you'd be out there at

751
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,159
nighttime

752
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,279
snooping around and uh yeah

753
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,720
yeah this kind of yeah you start

754
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,400
thinking about things

755
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,640
uh i start getting interested then of

756
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,159
course when i got

757
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,919
when i got out of high school that's

758
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:11,679
when i really started going into it but

759
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,720
then again

760
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,279
back then very few people were doing it

761
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:17,279
and uh

762
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,840
you know it was almost like a taboo

763
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,640
subject it was like

764
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:23,600
definitely a pub book subject at that

765
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:24,080
time

766
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,320
and um especially ghost hunting you know

767
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,640
that was you know that was kind of

768
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:32,000
frowned upon

769
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:37,279
and um you know i i guess until

770
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,679
people like barry taft and uh barry

771
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,120
gordon and those

772
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,240
out in los angeles got involved with the

773
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,360
um

774
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,360
you know with the parapsychology and

775
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,200
actually going into

776
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,919
uh people's homes and trying to figure

777
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:53,120
out what was going on

778
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,399
that's when it started coming to the

779
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,880
forefront and um

780
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:59,760
you know and then it exploded you know i

781
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,080
guess

782
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:03,120
from the mid 90s on but uh yeah

783
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,880
it's uh how much longer it's got

784
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:08,960
you know to be as popular as it has been

785
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:11,600
i don't know i hope it ends soon

786
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,120
well popularity yeah i i think it

787
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,320
i i think it's a two-headed sword really

788
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,320
uh it's good it's out there that people

789
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,360
are aware of it but then again

790
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:25,039
you know everybody and their brother

791
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:26,640
want to be a ghost hunter and

792
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:30,080
it kind of tends to not only

793
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,200
take take it into the absurdity

794
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,720
to some point but uh

795
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,320
you know some of the stuff you read is

796
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:40,640
just absolutely ridiculous so

797
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,399
um you know maybe maybe it'll actually

798
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,760
get to the point where

799
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,919
it kind of whittles itself down to

800
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:49,200
people that are

801
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,039
just real serious about what they're

802
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,279
doing and uh

803
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,320
it'll be you know it won't be watered

804
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,960
down as much as it is now

805
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,240
well that's what i always hope and i

806
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,679
always kind of sound categorised like

807
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,200
the good tankers old man and i'm not

808
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,630
and i'm not even old yet uh but the one

809
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:10,240
thing that

810
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,840
you know it's not that there's so many

811
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,360
people involved in it it's just that

812
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,880
it's so popular

813
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,880
that everybody wants to be involved in

814
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,360
it and when people finally realize that

815
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:21,039
it's not as exciting as it's made to be

816
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,000
out on tv

817
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,559
then they lose their edge and then it

818
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,640
was all for nothing

819
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,320
oh yeah but for some of us that have

820
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,399
been doing this for a long time lon

821
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,720
that we know it's boring most of the

822
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,080
time but

823
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,120
it's a passionate pursuit that

824
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,720
for some reason i think a part of us

825
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:41,200
have to we just have to follow

826
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,269
a group of people group of friends will

827
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,039
get together start a

828
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,279
start a group start a paranormal group

829
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,039
start putting money into it getting

830
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:57,919
equipment start advertising

831
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,520
um expecting they're gonna

832
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,760
they're gonna rock the world get

833
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:04,559
themselves

834
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,600
some some uh

835
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,760
some notoriety out of it and it just

836
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,600
doesn't happen that way of course some

837
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:12,960
people do

838
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:15,679
um unfortunately a lot to do they really

839
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:16,159
shouldn't

840
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,600
but anyway that being said they're

841
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:21,200
you know then they'll they'll do it for

842
00:30:24,789 --> 00:30:22,960
a year or two and then they'll just

843
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,799
fall by the wayside and not see that

844
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:26,480
happen all the time

845
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,320
so uh it's not only paranormal groups or

846
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:33,440
ghost hunting groups or spirit groups

847
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:33,760
it's

848
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:37,520
yeah

849
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:41,039
things where you've got to

850
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,640
in you know i know when i was out in the

851
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:44,240
field you had to be out there and you

852
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:45,200
got to be out there

853
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:49,760
expecting not to see anything

854
00:30:53,190 --> 00:30:52,880
and uh you gotta be vigilant and that's

855
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,200
just

856
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,520
the name of the game and uh you know

857
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:57,519
it's kind of the same with what i do i

858
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,080
don't get reports all the time and i

859
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,760
gotta be digging and digging here and

860
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,480
there and uh

861
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,799
it's really good to have connections

862
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:07,840
it's good

863
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,440
that you have people you can trust that

864
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,120
you know if you have a question like

865
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:15,120
stan and i got to give stan a lot of

866
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:15,600
credit

867
00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:18,880
when i need something he can go right to

868
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,519
him

869
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,000
butch is the same with butch with caskey

870
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,159
a lot of a lot of

871
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,519
my associates a lot of my colleagues and

872
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,919
uh i've always been i've always been

873
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:31,440
grateful for that

874
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:34,399
definitely some really good uh people

875
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:34,799
that

876
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:38,399
uh you know we have to touch with if we

877
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,440
need that

878
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,399
you know kind of in the moment uh

879
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,480
assistance but lon what i guess one last

880
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:46,080
thing we have some time to talk about

881
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,559
before we move on and actually bring

882
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:50,000
stan on the show

883
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:51,519
how about all this flak you've been

884
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,930
receiving lately

885
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,240
[Music]

886
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:57,360
yeah you're talking about the uh the

887
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,720
uh the bushman the boyd bushman flack

888
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,080
yeah boy bushman yeah well

889
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,840
you know boyd bushman's been around a

890
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:07,679
while now

891
00:32:15,509 --> 00:32:12,240
this guy he uh

892
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:15,519
he used to be a senior scientist with uh

893
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:20,880
with lockheed and what happened was

894
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,240
last august past august or maybe a

895
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,760
little before that but anyway he

896
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,279
he had done a deathbed what they call a

897
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:31,519
deathbed confession

898
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:34,799
on on video and basically what he did

899
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:37,679
he went back and rehashed a lot of the

900
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:38,720
things that

901
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,519
he actually presented before you know he

902
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,519
did a video

903
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,919
four or five years ago with a lot of the

904
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,120
same information

905
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:50,159
and for whatever reason you know now

906
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,120
that he got

907
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,360
put out there right before he's he

908
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,399
passed away

909
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,600
he received a whole lot of uh not a lot

910
00:33:02,070 --> 00:32:58,559
of scrutiny

911
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:02,080
and uh a lot of skeptics jumped on it

912
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,080
you know quite frankly

913
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,399
a lot of what he said a lot of what he's

914
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,919
been saying for the past four or five

915
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,120
years

916
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,880
kind of rings true with some of the

917
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,320
things that i've been

918
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:14,799
privy to over those years as well you

919
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,919
know this guy

920
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,640
he was senior scientist like lockheed

921
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,840
martin

922
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,240
you know he he did this stuff for 40

923
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:23,679
years he worked for

924
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:27,360
howard hughes aircraft general dynamics

925
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:32,559
texas instruments he got 26 patents

926
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,600
some some of which are still classified

927
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,240
he these a lot of these patents were for

928
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:39,919
missile systems

929
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,360
smart bombs and imaging systems magnetic

930
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,120
related technology

931
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,559
which i think is his biggest

932
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,399
contribution

933
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:51,519
you know impeccable credentials

934
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,720
and that he stated

935
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,679
that he worked firsthand with alien

936
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:58,960
visitors

937
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:02,080
and technology that

938
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:05,600
was located at area 51.

939
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,520
now i believe a lot of what the guy said

940
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,839
now people are saying well

941
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,919
they got this guy before he died you

942
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,599
know he wanted to be known

943
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,679
well known for this and that well you

944
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,399
know see the biggest

945
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,960
the the biggest thing is the biggest

946
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:24,159
critic

947
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,520
this alien the pictures of the aliens

948
00:34:33,899 --> 00:34:31,119
that he showed

949
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,909
and you know i you know i i'd suppose

950
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:35,359
[Music]

951
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:38,480
the similarities to

952
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:41,919
a um to a

953
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,679
doll or plastic figure that was

954
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:48,800
sold in kmart or other locations

955
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:51,599
and i guess that's i would say that's a

956
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,919
fair game for criticism

957
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:57,440
the the the images that he showed in the

958
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:58,320
video

959
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:02,320
had some age and wear to him now

960
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,280
this doll wasn't a mass marketed item

961
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839
and it from what i found out it seemed

962
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:11,280
to be initially manufactured and

963
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,160
distributed

964
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:15,280
in the 1960s now that information

965
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,640
was provided to me by a source

966
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,560
he was a toy and juvenile items

967
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,720
distributor i went out and checked with

968
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,079
a few people

969
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:25,680
and that's what i was told by one

970
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,079
individual now if that is the case the

971
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,320
only thing i can figure is and then

972
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,680
you know it this is just speculation but

973
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,839
you know the powers to be

974
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,599
may have been responsible for this

975
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,480
hidden in plain sight that's my campaign

976
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:44,960
to debunk disclosures now always

977
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,599
possible

978
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:47,040
you know there have been claims for

979
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:48,800
several decades that

980
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,480
you know alien technology and design

981
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,599
has been leaked to the film industry

982
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,599
in an attempt to soften the blow in case

983
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,280
there is a disclosure

984
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,480
or god forbid an invasion

985
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:05,040
and that the general public you know

986
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,760
kind of

987
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:08,079
doesn't freak out to the point where

988
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:09,280
they could they're going to freak out

989
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,400
anyway

990
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:14,000
but it's kind of being spoon-fed to them

991
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,359
now i don't know how true that is but

992
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:20,640
some i have people don't tell me

993
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:23,680
that are very big into ufos

994
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:27,760
and big into uh government military

995
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:30,960
um it's

996
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,720
it's participating behind the scenes

997
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,320
stuff uh

998
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,359
say that that's that's actually true

999
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,839
so i don't know that you know it just

1000
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,560
could be but

1001
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:42,480
i think the guys i think the guy's

1002
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,079
giving a lot of gave a lot of facts

1003
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,920
there are some other videos if you if

1004
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:50,240
you go to youtube

1005
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,480
and uh search boyd bushman

1006
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,320
all these other older videos especially

1007
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:58,160
the ones with magnetism

1008
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,839
will come out um i think the guy

1009
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:03,520
i think the guy was really involved with

1010
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,000
something and i i believe what he said

1011
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,000
well there you have it lon's official

1012
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:11,760
word on boyd bushman

1013
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,480
and now you can quit threatening them

1014
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,320
and

1015
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,320
boy i'm telling you some of the emails i

1016
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,520
got i

1017
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,040
you know i woke up that next morning

1018
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:22,880
after i posted that

1019
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:26,320
and i forgot how many i said like 160

1020
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:27,119
emails

1021
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,400
there's quite a few uh and i'd say half

1022
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,599
of them

1023
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,440
half that's like 80 emails were

1024
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,160
giving me a bunch of crap about i must

1025
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,359
be crazy or

1026
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,920
this and that and you know i'm you know

1027
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:43,599
i've never had that before

1028
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,160
so there's a lot of people with some you

1029
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,520
know with some uh

1030
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:49,280
definite feelings about this type of

1031
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,880
thing i

1032
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:53,119
i don't know who these people were some

1033
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:54,079
some of the letters

1034
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,839
some of the emails were anonymous

1035
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,280
there's nothing where i think it would

1036
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,520
be an official email from somebody

1037
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:02,960
who really knew what they were talking

1038
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:04,560
about but

1039
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,320
uh you know i struck a nerve so it

1040
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,400
happens

1041
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,839
well folks at any time you have

1042
00:38:16,589 --> 00:38:13,520
questions comments concerns you can

1043
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,599
always email them to us here at info

1044
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,119
arcaneradio.com and we do get them in

1045
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:21,280
fact we're starting to get

1046
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,119
emails from believe it or not around the

1047
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,880
world of folks wanting to know how they

1048
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,839
can listen to

1049
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:28,000
arcane radio so we have a couple

1050
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,040
different options here for

1051
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:31,119
multi-platform listening and as always

1052
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,560
lon and i prefer

1053
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,119
stitcher radio for you to go and listen

1054
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,200
to the latest episodes of arcane radio

1055
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,160
stitcher radio you go to your app store

1056
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,680
either on android or

1057
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,640
on ios your apple device or you can also

1058
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:45,760
go right to the radio

1059
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,640
website stitcherradio.com and search for

1060
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:50,640
arcane radio and listen to the show via

1061
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:51,280
web

1062
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,320
or through the uh apps that

1063
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,079
that company provides you also you can

1064
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:58,839
go right to our podbean site

1065
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,200
arcaneradio.podbean.com where you can

1066
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,200
download and listen to our latest show

1067
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,880
right there on the web page or through

1068
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,599
their different

1069
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,079
forms of downloading and that's as

1070
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,400
simple as lon and i can make it

1071
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,240
for you so couple different ways we have

1072
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,760
for you to listen and enjoy

1073
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,520
arcane radio and i know lately some of

1074
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:17,200
our episodes have been infrequent and i

1075
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,880
apologize for that

1076
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,040
uh we're real people and we also have

1077
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,040
real jobs that have to pay real bills

1078
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,079
so we can afford to have real lives so

1079
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,240
sometimes they do come in sporadically

1080
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:30,079
but be rest assured lon and i have not

1081
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,200
lost our flair

1082
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:34,800
or uh love for arcane radio or all of

1083
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,400
you and more shows are coming

1084
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,160
just i ask that you be patient in

1085
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:40,640
between and send us your feedback

1086
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,440
again arcane info at arcane radio.com

1087
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,760
and make some suggestions for guests and

1088
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,839
we'll do our best to make again the best

1089
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,400
show for you and this one more technical

1090
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:53,440
technical production piece uh for now

1091
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,160
the show

1092
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,320
as it's mixed down goes into two-channel

1093
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:58,000
audio and lon you're familiar with this

1094
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:59,040
issue

1095
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,560
so when you're listening you have to

1096
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:02,320
have both earphones in or listening to

1097
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:02,800
it on

1098
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,839
on a stereo speaker system uh

1099
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,599
so you'll hear lon and i are you're only

1100
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,440
going to have one-sided conversations

1101
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:11,200
what sounds like fun but it can be a

1102
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,640
little odd

1103
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,480
to listen to so make sure you have both

1104
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,000
headphones in for now and as soon as we

1105
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,440
get a fix for that

1106
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,079
uh i'll put a notice up there and let

1107
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,000
everybody know that the audio issue is

1108
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,000
fixed and we're not using a professional

1109
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
team right now it's just old fork chop

1110
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:28,560
mixing it down and putting it out so

1111
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:36,230
yeah well it'll get fixed that's right

1112
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,960
but the shell

1113
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,560
lon the quality of the show is a lot

1114
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:41,040
better than anything we used to do on

1115
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:43,839
uh blog talk radio not that i'm knocking

1116
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,280
that platform but the

1117
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:47,119
the quality is much better folks like

1118
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,640
our sound more and

1119
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:51,119
we're just having fun doing this oh yeah

1120
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,000
you know this is

1121
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,319
uh this is something we don't have to do

1122
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,760
but it's something we want to do

1123
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,359
so that's right because you deserve the

1124
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,280
latest and greatest in the world of the

1125
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,800
paranormal

1126
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,800
lon anything else before we stop here to

1127
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,720
bring stan gordon on the show

1128
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,720
no i can't think of anything all right

1129
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,880
folks hang tight we'll be back in a

1130
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:09,839
little bit

1131
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:13,280
with stan gordon and folks you're

1132
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,560
listening to arcane radio

1133
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,200
sean forker lon strickler and our very

1134
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:18,560
special guest

1135
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:22,319
mr stan gordon from the wonderful world

1136
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,960
the crazy strange world of pennsylvania

1137
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,280
stan welcome to arcane radio

1138
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,359
i appreciate having you back on again

1139
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,359
guys

1140
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,640
so stan we we know you've been following

1141
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,520
uh

1142
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,359
some strange creatures but lately it's

1143
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,680
been flying creatures flying cryptids in

1144
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,440
pa

1145
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,880
yeah i mean this year's been steadily

1146
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,200
busy with a lot of the reports of ufos

1147
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,560
and various cryptis including some

1148
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,920
bigfoot activity

1149
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,240
but uh more recently it's been that

1150
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,520
increase in

1151
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,720
giant flying cryptid reports and uh yeah

1152
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,920
there's been a history of

1153
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,440
thunderbird sightings on pennsylvania

1154
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,800
going back for many many years

1155
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,560
but it seems just from the top of my

1156
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,440
head it seems maybe around the year 2000

1157
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,440
began to see a little more steady flow

1158
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,200
of reports coming in

1159
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,040
and but more recently especially this

1160
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,119
past september

1161
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,760
there was uh some interesting uh little

1162
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,280
surge reports

1163
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:20,640
and uh there have been a number of other

1164
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:22,640
sightings in the past few months as well

1165
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,200
so

1166
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,640
it seems as though we're getting more

1167
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,240
and more people calling in about seeing

1168
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,560
these giant birds

1169
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,480
yeah you know you contacted me a couple

1170
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,319
weeks ago and asked me about

1171
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,319
you know if i've been any any of these

1172
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,000
things been coming across

1173
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,960
you know on my desk and i and i then i

1174
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,800
did i hadn't been getting any

1175
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,880
so uh i was kind of interested to see

1176
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:44,400
what you had so

1177
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,359
i i looked you know last week i posted

1178
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,520
what you had posted on your website and

1179
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:52,240
it's pretty amazing some deciding so why

1180
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,240
don't you go through some of these

1181
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,119
and uh let us know what's been going on

1182
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:59,359
yeah well if you want to go back a

1183
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,079
little bit

1184
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:03,119
um back um a few years ago you know

1185
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,599
again

1186
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,359
a lot of reports of these things being

1187
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,079
seen and very commonly

1188
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,400
when people first see these things their

1189
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,079
first flight is they're seeing

1190
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,599
a small aircraft they begin to see that

1191
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,359
it's flapping its wings they realize

1192
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:19,280
this is not an aircraft but it's a very

1193
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,560
huge bird

1194
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,480
and there are many many instances back

1195
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,400
in may of 2008

1196
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,200
on route 43 down to washington county pa

1197
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,560
in the afternoon

1198
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,960
apparently on this busy highway people

1199
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,040
have seen this huge

1200
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,599
dark bat like creature with leathery

1201
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:36,640
skin

1202
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,800
and it came down to within 20 feet of

1203
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,480
some of the cars and reportedly people

1204
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:42,000
were stopping their cars on this busy

1205
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,640
road

1206
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,560
and pulling off to see this thing and

1207
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,400
there was a fella down that was seen by

1208
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,680
people who apparently taken

1209
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,920
photographs of it but whoever that fell

1210
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,000
is he's never come forward

1211
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,280
and so you know who's to say and then

1212
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,400
many reports since that time um

1213
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:01,839
may 17th of 2013 down in dairy township

1214
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,480
again

1215
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,480
dairy might ring a bell because it's

1216
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,240
that little community along the chestnut

1217
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,079
ridge in westmoreland county

1218
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,079
which for whatever reason almost year

1219
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:11,680
after year produces

1220
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,800
a lot of bigfoot activity around that

1221
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:16,720
general area historically

1222
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:19,839
thunderbirds ufo sightings other weird

1223
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,480
events

1224
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,240
but you know that chestnut ridge which

1225
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,520
i'm sure we'll talk about

1226
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,520
it's a hundred miles long it stretches

1227
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,920
from preston county west virginia

1228
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,920
through west morning indiana county and

1229
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,280
southwest pa

1230
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,319
that area along that ridge is yearly

1231
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:36,400
active with all kind of phenomena from

1232
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,319
cryptid reports to ufos

1233
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,720
to other type of paranormal events it

1234
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,280
just goes on and on every year

1235
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:46,560
so may 17th of 2013 the seller recall

1236
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,200
was

1237
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,480
on his motorcycle

1238
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,560
and he came around a bend and about 50

1239
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:54,240
feet in front of him about eight to ten

1240
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:54,720
feet

1241
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:58,240
above the road there's this huge dark

1242
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,640
monstrous bird he said it was dark short

1243
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,079
neck a long tail

1244
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,240
but he said that thing easily had a

1245
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,720
wingspan of 20 feet

1246
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,319
and he said he said it just took a

1247
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,000
matter of seconds to speed up

1248
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,000
to get up to the area towards the woods

1249
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,520
where it was disappearing to

1250
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,680
and it was completely gone and he said i

1251
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,240
just can't really understand

1252
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,760
why i couldn't see it further where it

1253
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:22,160
could have gone to at that close range

1254
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,480
and

1255
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,800
being in daylight so there's a lot of

1256
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,319
weird stuff and then again

1257
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,560
you know we have these these series of

1258
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,480
events of all places here at

1259
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,040
south greensburg pennsylvania a

1260
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:35,520
populated area on a major road

1261
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,000
rough 119 and back in september of 2001

1262
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,400
fellas outside walking and he hears the

1263
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,839
sound of jackson look up he said it

1264
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,560
sounded like

1265
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:47,119
flags flapping in a thunderstorm to see

1266
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,319
this huge

1267
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,400
kind of dark maybe grayish brown or

1268
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,520
black bird

1269
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,319
with a 10 to 15 foot wingspan 50 to 60

1270
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,920
feet above the trucks and the cars on

1271
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,800
the road

1272
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,720
and it's flying above and then it turns

1273
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,160
and goes down the road

1274
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:03,119
and comes down in this big old tree and

1275
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,480
he said you can see the branches of this

1276
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,079
thing just bending and bending from the

1277
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,520
huge amount of weight from it

1278
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,280
and then it finally accelerates and goes

1279
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:10,800
off into the woods

1280
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,480
and then in august of 2010 maybe oh

1281
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,640
probably within a half mile there four

1282
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,400
people having a barbecue

1283
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,839
and they're sitting on the back porch

1284
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,599
and they'll suddenly have this wild

1285
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,760
whooshing swooshing sound to look up at

1286
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,280
40 feet above their head is this

1287
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,480
monstrous bird

1288
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,440
with the beak looking down at them and

1289
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:31,440
it takes a couple big flaps of its wing

1290
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,319
and it's gone

1291
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:34,960
in seconds down the road over the woods

1292
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:37,119
and then to make it even stranger

1293
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,480
january of 2013 would have been over

1294
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:42,000
that general area where where

1295
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,720
that bird was flying towards uh we had

1296
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:46,720
just had a big snowstorm a couple days

1297
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,599
before

1298
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,200
so these two women a little boy decided

1299
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:51,200
to take a walk because it was beautiful

1300
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:52,160
out there

1301
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,319
there's a woods there's trees but the

1302
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,680
trees are not thick

1303
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,200
so you can easily see when they're

1304
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,119
walking through this area a little boy's

1305
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,640
not paying attention all of a sudden the

1306
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,160
two women yell out loud

1307
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,960
did you see the size of that huge bird

1308
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,440
and they

1309
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:08,000
described him it was described that they

1310
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,640
saw this

1311
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,880
huge bird with this massive wingspan

1312
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,480
open up on the ground

1313
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,040
so it's 20 to 25 feet away from them

1314
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:16,960
there's fresh snow on the ground

1315
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,079
it walks behind the trees they run over

1316
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,079
immediately to try to see it

1317
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,400
it's not there there's gear track

1318
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:25,599
there's deer tracks

1319
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,760
there's no other tracks there's no place

1320
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,280
for this thing to fly off to

1321
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,640
they would have seen it fly off because

1322
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,720
the trees were not thick like where did

1323
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,440
it go

1324
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,440
so it adds more and more to the mystery

1325
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:37,119
and then there's been other reports

1326
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:38,559
since then

1327
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,079
but in the last year this is down

1328
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,920
off of route 30 east this is only

1329
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,520
several miles from greensburg this is a

1330
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,520
little town of ginette pa

1331
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,880
and that particular afternoon march 25th

1332
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,400
this fellow was taking a walk and he had

1333
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,400
to look up in the sky now

1334
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,079
he like so many around here are really

1335
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,599
familiar with seeing small aircraft

1336
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,880
because we have a lot of small landing

1337
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,480
strips and major

1338
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:02,079
airports around this area so you see him

1339
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:03,680
all the time

1340
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,440
see he looks up in the sky towards the

1341
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,200
east kind of cloudy

1342
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,640
and he thought he saw what would look

1343
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,880
like a piper cub but as he's looking at

1344
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:12,559
this thing he realizes this thing is

1345
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,280
moving too

1346
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,839
fast too smooth and the wings are turned

1347
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,280
up at the end

1348
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:19,440
and then he rises his dark object was

1349
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,559
not an aircraft but

1350
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,559
appeared to be a huge bird and he

1351
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:24,319
watches gliding towards the west and

1352
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:27,359
brushed the clouds and

1353
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,720
he never saw it flap its wings and

1354
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,400
he said he would estimate from seeing

1355
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,000
aircraft all the time this thing easily

1356
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:36,480
had about a 15-foot wingspan he ran into

1357
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:37,760
his house to get binoculars

1358
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,760
when he came out it was gliding off the

1359
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:40,800
distance

1360
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:44,079
and then july 21st up in indiana county

1361
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:45,760
now this guy i talked to and he was

1362
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:47,520
really reluctant to call me he said

1363
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,960
he went through all his bird books

1364
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:50,480
released a couple days where he called

1365
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,280
in he said

1366
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,599
because he has been since a kid he has

1367
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:55,119
been a bird watcher that's one of his

1368
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,680
hobbies

1369
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:58,000
he knows the birds of pennsylvania and

1370
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,119
he was just

1371
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,079
mystified of what he saw on the

1372
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,920
afternoon of july 21st

1373
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,319
this year uh he was in a rural area of

1374
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,839
indiana county

1375
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:10,240
and um all of a sudden he saw what he

1376
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,079
thought was a low-flying aircraft

1377
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,760
then he noticed the wings were flapping

1378
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,119
very slowly

1379
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:17,760
and he realized that this was unlike any

1380
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:19,359
giant anybody had ever seen it was like

1381
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,160
it was dark

1382
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,160
maybe brown of color he's kind of kind

1383
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:24,400
of a broad semicircular tail with a rump

1384
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,200
area

1385
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,319
and this guy's familiar with all the

1386
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:31,040
the larger birds of pennsylvania and he

1387
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,520
said

1388
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,119
it dwarfed that of an eagle and he

1389
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,960
estimated the wingspan would easily have

1390
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:35,599
been

1391
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:38,240
at least 12 foot in length so there's

1392
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,960
another one

1393
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,800
now an interesting thing is and i've

1394
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,240
talked to you about this on

1395
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,440
shows in the past but i found

1396
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:48,400
many years ago we're talking 30 40 years

1397
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:49,760
ago

1398
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,119
that i began to see some type of a

1399
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,400
pattern in that

1400
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:57,040
a lot of close range low level ufo

1401
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:57,760
sightings

1402
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,119
and a lot of close cryptid accounts

1403
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,839
incidents would happen in the vicinity

1404
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:04,640
of

1405
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:09,040
settings around like power plants

1406
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,319
uh high tension power lines gas wells uh

1407
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,040
you know gas lines radio transmission

1408
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,240
towers uh

1409
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,640
water railroad tracks things like that

1410
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,800
and that particular incident happened

1411
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,400
only

1412
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,160
i believe it was about a mile and a half

1413
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,000
or so from the homer city power station

1414
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,960
which has had a long history of ufo

1415
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,079
incidents up there

1416
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,520
from the time they were going in the

1417
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:34,480
late 60s up to the present

1418
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:39,599
and then over to scotland august 24th

1419
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,880
1 15 the afternoon uh and you guys know

1420
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,760
roger marsh

1421
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,280
and i know he's published it we talked

1422
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,880
about it and we talked about it

1423
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,440
and uh he was moving some furniture that

1424
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,800
day when they looked up he said to see

1425
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,839
that the biggest

1426
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,920
monstrous birdie had ever seen nasa

1427
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,599
winksman making circles

1428
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:59,040
right over the area and um he was able

1429
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,480
to see the beak in the body and the

1430
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,920
wings and that was thing was this

1431
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:02,960
massive

1432
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:06,000
and reportedly two men were overheard

1433
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,119
that day

1434
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,800
in a local convenience store saying that

1435
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,559
they had seen a huge thunderbird like

1436
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,720
creature in the area earlier that day

1437
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,960
then we get a little closer what we we i

1438
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,240
called you about

1439
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:18,720
and actually interestingly this series

1440
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,200
of events september for whatever reason

1441
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,920
was unusually active in the state with a

1442
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,119
ufo activity

1443
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:27,359
and with encrypted reports in fact the

1444
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,400
interesting thing is

1445
00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,240
the day before i got the call on the

1446
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,480
thunderbird i got a report of a black

1447
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:33,920
panther sighting

1448
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,440
not far from that same area so this is

1449
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,599
now september 23rd

1450
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,760
and this guy is outside of jeannette and

1451
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,680
he's standing there in the afternoon

1452
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,920
and he hears the sound very very strange

1453
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:47,280
sound that attracts him to look up in

1454
00:51:50,069 --> 00:51:48,160
the sky

1455
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:50,079
he said it was very loud and he said it

1456
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,280
was kind of like a ra

1457
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:53,839
ra ra sound and he said it's really hard

1458
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:55,359
for me to explain but he said

1459
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:57,920
if dinosaurs could were living today i

1460
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:59,119
would think they would make a sound

1461
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,160
something like this

1462
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,920
and he looked up to see this gigantic

1463
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,280
and he said it was

1464
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:06,319
very black a very very black colored

1465
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,119
bird

1466
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:09,440
about 200 feet off the ground and he

1467
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,640
said this thing

1468
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,400
the body was about six feet or more in

1469
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,079
length from head to tail

1470
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,559
but the wingspan was easily 12 feet or

1471
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,000
more in width

1472
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:20,319
and he was a little hesitant to talk

1473
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,119
about it

1474
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,520
but he said this thing looked more like

1475
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,520
a prehistoric bird than any other

1476
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,760
bird he's ever seen and then he went on

1477
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:29,680
to tell me he said

1478
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,559
that it had no feathers on it but it was

1479
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,960
skin-like like that of a giant bat

1480
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,640
but you know we've heard these reports

1481
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:39,200
in the past from other people as well

1482
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,559
and then the next day not far from there

1483
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,920
only a few miles away over the little

1484
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,240
community of penn

1485
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,480
two people saw that afternoon what

1486
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:49,520
appeared to be

1487
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,760
a huge bird following a helicopter

1488
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,440
and they said this thing got very close

1489
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:56,880
to helicopter and they said

1490
00:53:01,829 --> 00:53:00,160
at times it seemed to be even bigger

1491
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,839
in size at the same distance than the

1492
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:03,359
helicopter was

1493
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,760
and they watched it uh fly around the

1494
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,640
area

1495
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,400
and it got pretty close to it and then

1496
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,079
it flew out over a group of trees and

1497
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,119
disappeared

1498
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:13,200
but the one woman i talked to and she

1499
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,200
drew me a schedule and she said

1500
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:17,599
i've seen him on tv but she said i never

1501
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,640
thought i'd ever

1502
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,119
live to see a dragon and she said that's

1503
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,960
the only way i can describe

1504
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,800
the way the wings were and the way the

1505
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,160
wings flap that that

1506
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,240
huge bird that was behind the helicopter

1507
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:30,640
looked like a dragon

1508
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:34,000
and then september 24th which is that

1509
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:35,359
same day

1510
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,520
i get a call from another fella who

1511
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,599
lived a few miles from there down near

1512
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,240
irwin or north huntington

1513
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:44,079
he was a big fella he was going to work

1514
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,359
that night and he

1515
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,200
and he parked in a pretty heavily wooded

1516
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,400
area

1517
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,480
and he said he's going over this car

1518
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,079
which he does all the time

1519
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:54,559
and he heard about 50 to 80 feet away he

1520
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:55,440
estimated

1521
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,440
very loud noises like something very big

1522
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:02,160
with snapping tree limbs and then he

1523
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:02,720
heard this

1524
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,520
really loud shrill sound he said that

1525
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,040
really scared the heck out of him

1526
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:09,440
and the sound he made me was very

1527
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,160
similar

1528
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,920
to what that fellow told me two days

1529
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,599
before right down the road

1530
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:15,520
of what that giant bird sound like that

1531
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,599
rah-rah-rah sound

1532
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,599
sound so i went out with another

1533
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:20,960
investigator we searched through that

1534
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,160
wooded area

1535
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,520
really couldn't find any trace of

1536
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,599
anything but the guy was

1537
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,800
legitimately frightened and

1538
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,280
something scared him pretty badly and

1539
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,839
then i get a report october 4th now this

1540
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,640
is back

1541
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,319
this is almost between the border of

1542
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,000
indiana county westmoreland

1543
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:40,640
up near new florence which again it's

1544
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,200
within

1545
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,760
about two miles from the power stations

1546
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,040
new florence

1547
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,880
where this fellow that afternoon and

1548
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:48,240
this guy's live in the woods all his

1549
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,280
life

1550
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:51,359
those turkey vultures those blue herons

1551
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,119
and he said

1552
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:56,240
he was startled by this huge bird

1553
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,559
that was no more than maybe about 15

1554
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,720
feet over the top of his vehicle

1555
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,040
when he first saw it it was black maybe

1556
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,880
extremely dark brown

1557
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:07,200
he said had elongated neck similar to a

1558
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,240
goose

1559
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,559
and it was covered with feathers and the

1560
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:12,559
beak looked similar to our raptor

1561
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,319
he was not certain but he thought the

1562
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,000
beak was light brown of color

1563
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,760
and he said easily had a 12 foot

1564
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:19,599
wingspan he couldn't hear any sound but

1565
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,480
he thought they have been

1566
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:22,160
that may have been from the engines

1567
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,079
running out the noise

1568
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:27,040
and so anyhow that's what we've been

1569
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:27,920
getting

1570
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:31,440
and you know historically we may follow

1571
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:31,839
these

1572
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:35,440
the term a thunderbird

1573
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,720
but the reports while some are similar

1574
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,880
some are different and some of them are

1575
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:42,160
just very very

1576
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,240
massive big oversized birds with massive

1577
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,280
wingspans

1578
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,799
others describe something like more

1579
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
leathery like a huge giant bat

1580
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,680
others have talked to me and said what

1581
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,520
they saw they felt like more

1582
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:57,920
prehistoric like a pterodacter or a

1583
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,390
more than one person in the last few

1584
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,559
years has mentioned the word

1585
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,240
dragon that what they saw looked like a

1586
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:08,640
dragon and some have over years even

1587
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:11,680
luckily brought up gargoyle so there's

1588
00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,640
differences yet

1589
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,880
similarities and different reports over

1590
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,880
the years and you know we talked about

1591
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:18,640
this before whether we're talking about

1592
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,920
these huge flying cryptids or bigfoot

1593
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,720
or the black panther reports we get or a

1594
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,000
whole variety of other

1595
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:28,960
cryptids we look into where they come

1596
00:56:31,349 --> 00:56:29,280
from

1597
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,359
and where do they go you know sometimes

1598
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,119
there's some physical evidence

1599
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:35,599
and you know credible people are seeing

1600
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,319
them

1601
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,200
99 of these people want no publicity so

1602
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,640
what are we dealing with is the big

1603
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,559
question

1604
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,400
well see that's what fascinates me the

1605
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,680
most is

1606
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,160
they just seem to show up but the the

1607
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,599
the biggest thing is

1608
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:51,200
where the hell they go to because they

1609
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:52,640
just seemed to vantage

1610
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,799
and you know you talked about the one

1611
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,160
behind the tree

1612
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,520
and you know it's just like another it's

1613
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,200
just like other cryptids

1614
00:57:02,950 --> 00:57:01,280
that we get reports on these things just

1615
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:02,960
seem to disappear

1616
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,799
yeah yeah and uh you know is is it the

1617
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,960
this inter-dimensional thing that we've

1618
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,400
always talked about

1619
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,319
i mean is it does it apply to all of

1620
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,000
them all cryptids

1621
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,400
are these all are these all these

1622
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,319
creatures coming from another plane

1623
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,200
somewhere

1624
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,400
i mean it makes you think uh but

1625
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,160
then again they seem to come back where

1626
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,880
other people are seeing them

1627
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,880
oh yeah well again over the years it

1628
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,480
happened you know just like the black

1629
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:32,000
panther report so the black panther

1630
00:57:34,230 --> 00:57:33,200
reports are very intriguing in

1631
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,240
pennsylvania

1632
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,799
they're they're not an animal that is

1633
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:38,400
ever excited to exist in this part of

1634
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,960
the world

1635
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,400
generally what people describe as a

1636
00:57:45,670 --> 00:57:42,480
black jaguar or a black

1637
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,680
uh leopard but of course

1638
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,599
they've never existed scientifically in

1639
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,880
this part of the world but they've been

1640
00:57:51,349 --> 00:57:49,440
seen for

1641
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:51,359
multitudes of years or multitudes of

1642
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:53,119
reports of them i mean i've interviewed

1643
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:54,400
hunters the last couple years in

1644
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,200
daylight that

1645
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,319
within 30 feet of them and uh

1646
00:58:01,589 --> 00:58:00,559
i mean some of these cases are extremely

1647
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,599
detailed

1648
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:03,760
very interesting back by the way back in

1649
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,160
march of 1983

1650
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,559
in a heavily populated suburb of

1651
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,520
pittsburgh

1652
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,839
there was a massive search for a black

1653
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,040
panther

1654
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,720
and it was a really interesting and it

1655
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:16,480
actually made big news in the papers

1656
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,839
believe it or not down there

1657
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,599
because you know the first thing we

1658
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:21,119
checked when we people get reported

1659
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,319
these things is

1660
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,160
as one of these animals escape from a

1661
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,160
zoo or a carnival

1662
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,760
that first of all there's not a lot of

1663
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:29,599
them around secondly it's

1664
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:32,319
very rare these things ever escape and

1665
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:32,960
when they do

1666
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,400
generally hear about it you can figure

1667
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:36,079
it out pretty well but that's never been

1668
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,040
the case

1669
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:38,480
and in this particular case it was

1670
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,720
interesting because this happened

1671
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,799
in a rural area right excuse me rather

1672
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,400
in a suburb of pittsburgh

1673
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,240
whereas all quite a lot of people around

1674
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:47,839
it was at a large car

1675
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,200
dealership where this thing there was a

1676
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:53,040
fence that separated this large wooded

1677
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,240
area from

1678
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,880
the uh company there and this thing it

1679
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,880
had dived over the fence

1680
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,799
where a mechanic was working on a car he

1681
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,319
was replacing a headlight in the car at

1682
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:03,599
9 30 that morning

1683
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:06,160
here's this loud thump and there's this

1684
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:07,200
huge

1685
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:11,440
fender and hood of the car

1686
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,000
and it has a dead animal in its mouth

1687
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,680
and it's looking at him

1688
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:18,079
and he said the animal itself had a body

1689
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,280
at least two and a half feet long and

1690
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,799
the tail was about four feet long

1691
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:23,599
and it was beautiful solid black and the

1692
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,799
ears were upright

1693
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,119
and i mean he could smell this terrible

1694
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,240
stench like

1695
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:30,480
rotten urine and he can hear like they

1696
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:32,559
have very deep heavy breathing sounds

1697
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,520
from it

1698
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,079
and the thing turned around took another

1699
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,160
jump one back over the woods well

1700
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,920
apparently a short time later more than

1701
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,760
one person saw a big one and a little

1702
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,960
one together

1703
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,200
so they notified the police well that

1704
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,440
led to a massive search by the

1705
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,440
pittsburgh police and animal control

1706
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:50,640
officers

1707
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,240
that had tranquilizer guns and

1708
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:57,200
of course they never found it and

1709
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,480
interestingly

1710
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,400
historically the area is called panther

1711
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,920
hollow

1712
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,760
now one of the guys in my research group

1713
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:05,440
at the time he was a special forces guy

1714
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,160
he was a

1715
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:08,880
experienced professional tracker he got

1716
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:09,440
out there

1717
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:10,960
and he tracked it for quite a distance

1718
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,079
and lost track of it but uh

1719
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,760
the whole thing is the same thing where

1720
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,680
do they come from where do they go

1721
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:19,520
and then to add to the mystery and you

1722
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:21,280
may have heard this over the years in

1723
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:22,079
other cases

1724
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,599
there have been instances where bigfoot

1725
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,640
has been seen in the accompanied by what

1726
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:31,200
to describe as a black panther

1727
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,480
i don't know if you've ever had cases

1728
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:35,040
like that or in some cases like we had

1729
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:35,760
an incident

1730
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,920
back in the 80s where we had an outbreak

1731
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:39,040
of bigfoot sightings here in

1732
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:40,240
westmoreland county

1733
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:41,920
and then people began to report black

1734
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,920
panther sightings in the same area

1735
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:45,440
so there's a lot more of this mystery

1736
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,630
i totally agree with both you guys here

1737
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,160
this and you know

1738
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:56,880
i i've been in that area and gary you

1739
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,359
know you

1740
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,720
you told me you had a case in

1741
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:04,710
yeah um i don't have a lot of details

1742
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:07,280
right from but it happened

1743
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,559
early october this year and uh

1744
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:12,319
this guy was riding down the road i

1745
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,760
interviewed him sounds very very

1746
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,960
credible

1747
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,880
and apparently this thing was when i'm

1748
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,799
remembering he thought at first it was a

1749
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,000
big bird like an eagle

1750
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:22,160
but then a drop down feet first towards

1751
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,440
the ground

1752
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,280
and it was only about 30 feet away from

1753
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:27,119
him but he estimated this thing stood

1754
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,160
like four to five feet tall as i recall

1755
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:33,440
and um i'm trying to remember a little

1756
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:35,359
bit it was dark in color

1757
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:38,240
and it had a it was he described it as a

1758
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:38,559
just

1759
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:42,000
like a gigantic bat with a tail

1760
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,119
and uh so it was a very very unusual he

1761
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:47,280
was very very shook up by it

1762
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,799
he said he didn't stop to get a picture

1763
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,720
and regrets it but he was almost in

1764
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:52,559
shock when he saw it

1765
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:54,880
and he had contacted me after hearing

1766
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:56,079
some of the other research i've been

1767
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,640
doing

1768
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:58,319
but these things are going on all over

1769
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:59,599
the country which you know about in

1770
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,039
other parts of the world

1771
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,920
and it's the same thing we don't have

1772
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:04,559
anything

1773
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:08,160
like that scientifically today and

1774
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:20,549
well that's just it where they go and uh

1775
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,760
now i got this um i got this sighting

1776
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,640
that was sent to me last week from uh

1777
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,799
near area and actually robin swoop got a

1778
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:29,920
hold of me

1779
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:33,200
and said that area around uh six mile

1780
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,400
creek park

1781
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,400
where this thing was supposed to be seen

1782
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,760
at has had other settings before

1783
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,160
now you know i don't i don't know what

1784
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:44,160
to make of this photo now you saw it

1785
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,240
stand yes does this kind of sync up with

1786
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,680
some of the other sightings you've been

1787
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,599
getting yeah

1788
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:53,760
it's interesting and the picture is

1789
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,359
interesting but

1790
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,359
you know there's a lot of questions need

1791
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,640
a lot more investigation on the

1792
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,079
photograph

1793
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,240
you know it's you know you and i see a

1794
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:04,240
lot of quad pictures come in

1795
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,960
all the time i get them quite often and

1796
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,960
you got to be really careful today

1797
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,520
you know with the technology out there

1798
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:13,440
plus the fact that and i've had

1799
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:14,799
experiences myself

1800
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,079
just by sure sheer coincidence

1801
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,480
and problems with my digital camera

1802
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,240
taking photographs which

1803
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,319
i can easily submit for example with ufo

1804
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:25,760
pictures and people think wow they look

1805
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,480
really great

1806
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,720
and it's nothing but the you know the

1807
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:30,400
way the electronics when the digital

1808
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,440
cameras work

1809
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:33,599
under certain conditions under the wrong

1810
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,200
lighting on the wrong focusing

1811
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:36,880
they can create some very very weird

1812
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,760
effects so you can't just go by that

1813
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:42,160
but um you know another thing is

1814
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:42,880
interesting

1815
01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:44,559
and i believe you've had a couple cases

1816
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:45,920
like this where

1817
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,799
people have seen flying cryptids that

1818
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,559
appear to have a glow to them

1819
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:52,960
they're luminous and they're not that

1820
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,839
common

1821
01:04:04,309 --> 01:03:55,920
but uh have you not had some cases like

1822
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,230
yeah yeah i've had these supposedly

1823
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:10,799
large flying mothman lake creatures

1824
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:12,880
these human flying humanoids

1825
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,520
and they're being like a either an

1826
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,079
orange or red luminescence

1827
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:21,119
near the head area and uh you know now

1828
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,400
there have been others where they've

1829
01:04:26,789 --> 01:04:24,880
seen this luminescence but they couldn't

1830
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:26,799
quite pinpoint what part of the body it

1831
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,000
was coming from

1832
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,119
yeah well back in march 18th of 2012 and

1833
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,640
if you go back to my website you can

1834
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,400
find some of these little reports

1835
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,960
but this again is up in fayette county

1836
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,280
i'm sure we already mentioned it once

1837
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,880
fayette county is among those counties

1838
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:42,480
along the chestnut ridge

1839
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,720
where year after year there's a long

1840
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,720
history and some of the strangest

1841
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,119
most interesting bigfoot encounters have

1842
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,280
been happening for years and years

1843
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,760
up in fayette county so this incident

1844
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:55,520
happened march 18th of 2012 in the

1845
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,119
southern part of fayette county

1846
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,440
is an area that has a lot of history of

1847
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,760
bigfoot sightings and other weird stuff

1848
01:05:05,029 --> 01:05:03,359
but that this particular evening a

1849
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,039
fellow is walking his dog

1850
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,039
about quarter 12 at night he's in the

1851
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:09,359
front yard when he hears this whooshing

1852
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:11,039
sound again coming from above him and he

1853
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:11,680
looks up

1854
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:15,680
at about 55 feet uh away

1855
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,960
he sees what he describes as a dragon

1856
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,880
and he says this flying creature passes

1857
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,760
over an automatic dust of dawn light

1858
01:05:27,510 --> 01:05:25,119
and he gets a good look at this thing he

1859
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:27,520
said the body is about 22 feet long

1860
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:30,079
and the wing spans about 18 feet wide

1861
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,680
and it looked to be shiny with almost

1862
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:32,880
reflective body

1863
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,000
with no scales and um

1864
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,119
the color was kind of a dark brown

1865
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,839
red kind of an all-born brown at the end

1866
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:43,520
tips of the wings fear to be tall like

1867
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,119
fingers about three to four

1868
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:47,440
the arms of the wing structure appeared

1869
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:48,319
muscular

1870
01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,559
the wings were quite thick and like skin

1871
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,319
appeared to be a rear fin on both sides

1872
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,760
of the body and the creatures played an

1873
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,720
arrowhead

1874
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:56,880
shaped tail he also said it appeared to

1875
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,960
have two extended rear legs

1876
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:00,880
the the creature itself had a cone shape

1877
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,480
around the head and

1878
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,559
stopped flat on the base of the neck but

1879
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:07,039
the oddest feature was he said

1880
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:10,960
that around the mouth and eyes

1881
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,200
it was illuminated with a very ominous

1882
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,960
orange glow

1883
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,880
it has a flew over the trees down

1884
01:06:20,870 --> 01:06:18,720
towards the bottom of the yard

1885
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:20,880
he could hear this deep throaty sound he

1886
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,839
said similar to a foghorn on a boat

1887
01:06:29,349 --> 01:06:26,400
and he saw this thing to talk total

1888
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:29,359
observations about 20 seconds

1889
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:31,119
so just another one of those strange

1890
01:06:44,829 --> 01:06:42,230
gentlemen hear me now yeah go ahead all

1891
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,839
right sorry guys i had a problem with my

1892
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,400
microphone

1893
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:48,880
as i was uh saying earlier stan i've

1894
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:50,480
been to your neck of the woods i've been

1895
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:50,960
up in

1896
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,559
in derry i've been in the chestnut ridge

1897
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:57,119
and it's a different place there's a lot

1898
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:57,920
of strange

1899
01:07:00,950 --> 01:07:00,559
unusual happenings up there why do you

1900
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,960
think

1901
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,280
dairy in the chestnut ridge is such an

1902
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,960
active area

1903
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:07,039
you know i wish i had that answer yeah

1904
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:10,079
going back to the 73 and 74 we had that

1905
01:07:14,789 --> 01:07:12,799
massive weird ufo bigfoot outbreak and a

1906
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,799
lot of it was a lot of activity was

1907
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:16,319
concentrated around that area and we

1908
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,960
spent

1909
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,440
many days and nights investigating

1910
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,960
spending nights out

1911
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:22,480
searching for evidence searching for the

1912
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:24,960
creatures and we looked for that

1913
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,319
information ever since and

1914
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:30,240
i've never been able to find anything

1915
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,599
outstanding

1916
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,200
that would tell us why you know you have

1917
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,880
these areas around the country

1918
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,880
where you have just more activity than

1919
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:37,920
normal

1920
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,960
and i mean there's a an in

1921
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,039
uh an act of earthquake fault going

1922
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:45,119
through the ridge but i don't see any

1923
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,440
really connection there but i just don't

1924
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:49,200
have the answer for it i wish we did

1925
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:50,799
you know there are people who live on

1926
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:53,119
top of that ridge people reporting all

1927
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,400
kind of phenomena

1928
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,480
and there's and we've been finding other

1929
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,720
in recent years i'm getting reports of

1930
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,319
other odd phenomena

1931
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,760
that you wouldn't even think about that

1932
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,359
people have been relating

1933
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,280
which might be somehow associated with

1934
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,390
it's just so many strengths and people

1935
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,920
claim they have seen

1936
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,160
what they would call maybe vortexes up

1937
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:16,319
on top of the ridge over the years

1938
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,960
so it might be another clue of is there

1939
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,239
some type of

1940
01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:23,040
pathway or entry way for various

1941
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,319
phenomena to come in and out our

1942
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,839
physical reality and

1943
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,600
is there something special about certain

1944
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:29,120
areas where this

1945
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:32,480
uh this type of event

1946
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:35,120
can exist we just don't know one of the

1947
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,640
things i found pretty funny when i was

1948
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,480
up there on the ridge stand was we were

1949
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,640
up there on a bigfoot investigation

1950
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:42,799
and we were talking about vocalizations

1951
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,400
and these people had stopped us

1952
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,719
along the way up to the top of the ridge

1953
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,080
and we were asking you guys heard

1954
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:50,080
anything strange you're like oh yeah

1955
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:51,600
we hear this stuff all the time it was

1956
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:54,159
just so funny how comfortable they were

1957
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:55,279
with that

1958
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,560
oh yeah and and you know i mean a lot of

1959
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,480
people will contact me along and most of

1960
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,000
them still want no publicity

1961
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,239
but when you're out in in events i mean

1962
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:06,799
i do a lot of uh

1963
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,400
lectures and you know i've been trying

1964
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,839
to educate the public on these matters

1965
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,359
since the late 60s

1966
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,920
and everywhere i go every year including

1967
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:15,359
in recent weeks and months

1968
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:17,279
people local people come up and and tell

1969
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:18,640
me other experiences even though they

1970
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:19,359
don't want it

1971
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,000
publicly know who they are but when

1972
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,839
you're out to talk to these people it's

1973
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,440
almost like a common thing that they

1974
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:26,719
know about these things and it's been

1975
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:27,359
going on

1976
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,199
for years and years yeah i hear that all

1977
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:33,040
the time

1978
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:36,560
something that's been going on they know

1979
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:37,520
about

1980
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,440
uh that they're kind of surprised other

1981
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:41,679
people haven't said something about it

1982
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,080
and uh yeah yeah i i understand that

1983
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,000
yeah well you know i i kind of

1984
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,159
understand their position you know one

1985
01:09:54,870 --> 01:09:52,400
in about uh well that's a couple weeks

1986
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,880
ago mark 55 years i've been doing this

1987
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,400
research now

1988
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:58,480
and uh i have still have never

1989
01:10:00,870 --> 01:10:00,000
personally seen a ufo or a bigfoot

1990
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,880
rather cryptid

1991
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,719
i've seen a lot of evidence but i've

1992
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,560
never personally seen one

1993
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:07,199
and there's so many people that i run

1994
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:08,880
into

1995
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,920
that you know would never believe it

1996
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,159
until they see something for themselves

1997
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,840
yeah absolutely and so many of the

1998
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,080
witnesses i run into were people who

1999
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:19,679
years and years would laugh at other

2000
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,520
people or laugh at their friends who

2001
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:22,719
were hunters do the same things that

2002
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:23,120
would

2003
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,400
until they had their own personal

2004
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:26,480
experience and many of them i mean it's

2005
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,280
a life-changing

2006
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:29,600
event for them because they can't handle

2007
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,400
the fact that

2008
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,080
they saw something out there that this

2009
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:34,400
shouldn't exist

2010
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:38,000
well that's just it you know and i can

2011
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,239
you know i can understand that and it's

2012
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:42,640
uh it is it's life-changing

2013
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,320
and you never forget about it and it's

2014
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:46,239
something that sticks with you

2015
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:48,080
and it you know you know in the thought

2016
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:50,960
about it will just come back to you

2017
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,920
to miss you know at any time and you

2018
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:54,640
know i still

2019
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:57,440
question myself about it you know the

2020
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,000
bigfoot

2021
01:11:01,669 --> 01:11:00,159
sighting or whatever this thing was down

2022
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,679
in sykesville

2023
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:04,159
i still questioned myself about it what

2024
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:05,120
was this

2025
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:09,120
was it a bigfoot was it um some type of

2026
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,040
human but you know it i know it wasn't

2027
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:15,840
i just don't know what exactly it was

2028
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,719
yeah

2029
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,560
but what's intriguing about your story

2030
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,400
as i recall was the fact that

2031
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:22,239
it appeared that there was an official

2032
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:24,159
response to that area very quickly after

2033
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:25,600
you add your sighting

2034
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,440
well you know what i have been doing

2035
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,440
some investigating about that

2036
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:32,880
since the tv show and from what i

2037
01:11:36,870 --> 01:11:36,080
can from what i have gathered this thing

2038
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:36,880
may have been

2039
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,239
seen a couple hours before

2040
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,440
my sighting that would make sense and

2041
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:45,280
it was up and i think the sighting was

2042
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,719
up near marriageville

2043
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,920
which is downstream from sykesville and

2044
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:52,080
uh i think they were already out looking

2045
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,040
for it because

2046
01:11:57,110 --> 01:11:55,199
that's the only explanation because

2047
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,120
there's no way they could have got onto

2048
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,480
it that quick

2049
01:12:03,590 --> 01:12:01,440
right i agree with that yeah and you

2050
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:03,600
know i've had other similar cases over

2051
01:12:05,790 --> 01:12:04,080
the years

2052
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,800
you know going back to the events of

2053
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,360
1973

2054
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,440
and talking about you know all these

2055
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,719
different cryptids you know

2056
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:12,239
when i got involved with all this

2057
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,679
investigation of bigfoot you know i

2058
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,840
started this in 1959

2059
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,360
and i got out in the field after the

2060
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:19,360
kicks for gifted in 1955 so i've been

2061
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,480
out in the field doing

2062
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:23,199
first-hand investigations in 1965 and i

2063
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,159
worked on

2064
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:26,159
thousands of thousands of cases of all

2065
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:27,600
kind of phenomena here in pennsylvania

2066
01:12:31,830 --> 01:12:28,560
from that time

2067
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:31,840
up to the present and i've always taken

2068
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:32,800
open-minded

2069
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,840
attitude as to what we might be dealing

2070
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,560
with and

2071
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,120
you know i've always found that when you

2072
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:41,199
look into any of these cases

2073
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,239
many of them seem very odd or unusual

2074
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,320
initially but when you investigate them

2075
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,840
most of the eternal beings are natural

2076
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,080
man-made origin there's explanations

2077
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,159
but there are incidents are going year

2078
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,600
after year

2079
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,440
incredible people are seeing them you've

2080
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:57,199
got physical evidence some cases some of

2081
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:59,199
these cases you cannot easily dismiss

2082
01:13:02,229 --> 01:13:01,120
something is going on out there but with

2083
01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:02,239
bigfoot you know i started looking at

2084
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:03,040
the bigfoot

2085
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,400
back in the early days and there's been

2086
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:05,920
a history of bigfoot in pennsylvania

2087
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,040
going back to

2088
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,199
the native americans and the newspaper

2089
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,360
accounts in the 1800s

2090
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,080
uh the earliest first-hand account of

2091
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:15,679
person i've interviewed in pennsylvania

2092
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:16,159
was

2093
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:17,840
back in fayette county again up in

2094
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,360
indian head goes back to 1931

2095
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:23,360
and uh so these things have been seen

2096
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,400
for a long time

2097
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,800
i had always felt and always believed

2098
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,960
that if bigfoot was real and i felt

2099
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,640
from interviewing eyewitnesses and now

2100
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:32,000
i've interviewed hundreds of alleged

2101
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,120
bigfoot witnesses

2102
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,480
from pennsylvania that they're probably

2103
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:40,000
some type of unknown zoological creature

2104
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:44,840
until those events that unfolded in 1973

2105
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:47,920
and some of the cases that i still

2106
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,360
continue to hear

2107
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,679
from the public from not just in

2108
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:53,760
pennsylvania but around the country

2109
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,120
that suggests more and more that

2110
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,520
there's much more to this mystery and we

2111
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,719
may be dealing with something for a

2112
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,120
better term as interdimensional

2113
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:05,440
that whatever we're dealing with it

2114
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,560
appears physically

2115
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:08,640
solid under certain conditions leaves

2116
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,920
physical evidence and then it's gone

2117
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:14,640
and had i not been involved in that

2118
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,719
series of events in 73 and 74

2119
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,400
i would never i would never be able to

2120
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,239
accept that but

2121
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:25,199
i tell you it seems like that was around

2122
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:25,520
the

2123
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,520
basically

2124
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:32,159
you know i'm going over what you have

2125
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,120
you

2126
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:36,080
investigated back then it seemed since

2127
01:14:40,390 --> 01:14:37,600
that time there have been

2128
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,400
some similar type sightings where you

2129
01:14:44,149 --> 01:14:42,400
know people have noticed other types of

2130
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,159
anomalies

2131
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,800
where bigfoot sightings have been or if

2132
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,640
ufos have been

2133
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,800
uh it seems like it's tied somewhat

2134
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,000
together

2135
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,679
and uh yeah i agree with you and you

2136
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,719
know you and i

2137
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,480
even mentioned the last time we thought

2138
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:00,080
that but you know

2139
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,280
this the the regular bigfoot hunter now

2140
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,960
is starting to open their mind up to

2141
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,640
this as well oh

2142
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,880
there's there's no doubt since my book

2143
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,960
my book came out style invasion

2144
01:15:15,510 --> 01:15:13,840
and a lot of discussion we've had out

2145
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:15,520
there publicly about this

2146
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:17,600
i'm seeing quite an interest in people

2147
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,360
deeply involved in the bigfoot field

2148
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:21,600
who are now beginning to be a little

2149
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,800
more open-minded

2150
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,080
they're beginning to ask the same

2151
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,000
questions i have for years like

2152
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,600
if these creatures have been around for

2153
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,920
so long something similar has been seen

2154
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,199
throughout the world

2155
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,960
and yet we have hardly any physical

2156
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,960
evidence no bodies it just doesn't make

2157
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,719
any sense

2158
01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,320
and when you looked at some of the cases

2159
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:40,239
that we had in 73

2160
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:42,880
74 that were extremely well documented

2161
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,600
because

2162
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,440
our teams were on the scene within you

2163
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:48,080
know minutes hours after they occurred

2164
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:51,440
and uh you know i surely wasn't looking

2165
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:52,000
for those type

2166
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,600
of cases to show up that's not what i

2167
01:15:55,669 --> 01:15:55,120
was looking we're out there gathering

2168
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,679
data

2169
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,679
documenting the information and that's

2170
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,679
where the evidence began to lead us now

2171
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:02,000
i keep open in mind all possibilities

2172
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:03,679
with bigfoot and other cryptids

2173
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:06,320
but there's there's definitely some

2174
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,400
aspects of this that are extremely

2175
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,199
very high strangeness cases and i and i

2176
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:12,719
continue to hear these reports i mean

2177
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:13,760
for example

2178
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,800
um early winter of this year

2179
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:18,080
when they were having those big snow

2180
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:19,760
storms down east there was a series of

2181
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,400
bigfoot

2182
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:22,000
sightings going on down in the

2183
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:23,199
mountainous area down in eastern

2184
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:24,400
pennsylvania

2185
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,920
and one person i talked to um

2186
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,520
they lived up on top of a mountain there

2187
01:16:32,470 --> 01:16:31,040
have been some bigfoot activity

2188
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,480
they got this huge snow i think it was

2189
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:34,080
like a foot foot and a half of snow at

2190
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,880
the time

2191
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,159
and it was in the news about all the

2192
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,480
snow down there and um

2193
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:41,600
the friend had his huge dog with her and

2194
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,960
i believe she had a dog she told me

2195
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:44,960
seven or eight years and but

2196
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,600
only time she ever saw that dog cower

2197
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,080
was when she was down there

2198
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,159
she was down there they heard a noise it

2199
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:53,600
was in the evening

2200
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,520
heard a noise in front of her the dog

2201
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:58,080
was behind her growling and shaking

2202
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:00,960
and her beam of white hit this huge

2203
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,040
seven eight foot tall hairy creature

2204
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,280
taking huge strides through the snow

2205
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:06,880
well apparently the next morning there's

2206
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:10,159
this huge series of cracks in the snow

2207
01:17:13,189 --> 01:17:11,280
that just suddenly stopped and

2208
01:17:14,950 --> 01:17:13,199
disappeared

2209
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,960
and this is the kind of stuff that i was

2210
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:16,960
coming up with in the summer where we

2211
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,840
would have

2212
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:19,520
trails of tracks under all type of

2213
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:20,560
ground conditions and you got to

2214
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:21,280
remember

2215
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,800
a lot of people i was working with back

2216
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,320
in those days and my teams they were

2217
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:26,159
they were scientists and engineers and

2218
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,280
research people

2219
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,960
former military intelligence people

2220
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:31,120
police officers and anthropologists

2221
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,800
these were people who knew how to

2222
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,640
investigate and

2223
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:36,239
you know a lot of these guys came in

2224
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:37,679
with my investigations

2225
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:40,320
very skeptical and many of them after

2226
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:41,360
years of research

2227
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,520
realized that you know what the patterns

2228
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:45,280
there the evidence of their

2229
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:46,960
something is going on here you cannot

2230
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:49,600
dismiss all this and the cases we came

2231
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:50,320
up with

2232
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,440
suggested that there's more to this and

2233
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,520
you know we had some of those cases

2234
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,120
that were coming in from widespread

2235
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:59,280
areas of state where we had ufos and

2236
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:00,239
bigfoots

2237
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,560
seat together at the same time in place

2238
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,400
but before that we began to see a

2239
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,080
pattern where we would have for example

2240
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:08,320
a ufo sighting in a certain area then

2241
01:18:11,830 --> 01:18:09,199
within minutes

2242
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,840
hours days later we would have a bigfoot

2243
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,199
sighting or vice versa

2244
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:15,840
ufo sighting in bigfoot bigfoot or ufo

2245
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:17,920
and then some together

2246
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,880
and some of those cases were amazing and

2247
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,719
there were some of those cases which

2248
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,159
highly suggested

2249
01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:26,159
that whatever this creature or creatures

2250
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:28,000
were we have to say creatures

2251
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:29,679
because of some of those cases we had

2252
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:31,600
more than one creature seen together

2253
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,360
at the same time and those cases suggest

2254
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:36,640
that we are dealing with something

2255
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,870
well you know jc johnson out in new

2256
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,920
mexico

2257
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,159
he's been getting these tracks these

2258
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:48,320
track lines now recently

2259
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,440
where they just suddenly end

2260
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,320
you know and it's it's like you know

2261
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:55,760
like where in the hell these things

2262
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:57,040
going to

2263
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,400
yeah yeah it's amazing these reports are

2264
01:19:03,430 --> 01:19:01,600
much more common

2265
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:03,440
yeah when i start i start publishing

2266
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,360
some of this information back in the 70s

2267
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:06,800
after this outbreak

2268
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,880
and back then there was a tremendous

2269
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,080
more

2270
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:12,560
areas of ridicule than there is today

2271
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,440
and

2272
01:19:16,790 --> 01:19:16,239
you know i i was in contact with many

2273
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,800
key

2274
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,960
researchers back in the 70s 80s from

2275
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:20,880
many countries in the united states and

2276
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:23,360
so many of these researchers said look

2277
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,960
we've heard the same thing we have the

2278
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:26,560
same thing going on out here we've had

2279
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,960
ufos in the bigfoot scene together some

2280
01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:30,239
areas out in the

2281
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,840
western states you had cattle

2282
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:34,000
mutilations bigfoot ufos other

2283
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,600
paranormal stuff going on

2284
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:37,360
it was going on all over the world but

2285
01:19:40,630 --> 01:19:38,719
they were telling me you know what

2286
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:40,640
we're reluctant to publish it because

2287
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,840
i'm afraid of being left

2288
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:43,679
out by my colleagues you know and

2289
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:45,760
there's not enough information to go on

2290
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,040
and you know it may be much more common

2291
01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:50,800
than we realize out there

2292
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:53,360
and uh and these reports still keep

2293
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:54,480
coming in

2294
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,840
very few bigfoot reports have any

2295
01:20:00,790 --> 01:19:59,600
association with the ufo sighting and

2296
01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:00,800
vice versa but

2297
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,199
there is that percentage of cases to do

2298
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:05,199
and one thing let me make it plainly

2299
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:06,639
clear because i think a lot of people

2300
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,679
out there

2301
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,120
maybe are a little confused what i'm

2302
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,280
saying first of all let's

2303
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,360
make this clear when we're talking about

2304
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,520
an unexplained ufo sighting

2305
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:17,120
you know after you eliminate everything

2306
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,120
you can explain all this identifications

2307
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,760
you get that percentage of ufo reports

2308
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:24,080
you cannot easily dismiss

2309
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,239
i felt for years that there's probably

2310
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:27,760
more than one origin

2311
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,560
for the unknown category you know maybe

2312
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:32,080
a small percentage maybe they are

2313
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,199
extraterrestrial

2314
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:36,000
maybe some natural unknown natural

2315
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,360
phenomena

2316
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,239
i think more and more for a better term

2317
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,159
we're dealing with some phenomena

2318
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:45,280
that's interdimensional in nature and it

2319
01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:46,000
has an energy

2320
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:49,280
connection to it and you know

2321
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:50,960
so the point i'm trying to make is i'm

2322
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:53,920
not saying that extraterrestrials

2323
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,440
are landing and bigfoot are et's

2324
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,760
i'm saying there's some association

2325
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,679
there i don't know what if any direct

2326
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:03,520
connection exists between the two

2327
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:06,320
i mean maybe whatever that ufo

2328
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:07,280
intelligence is

2329
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:10,400
it's interesting bigfoot or vice versa

2330
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,440
maybe somehow that this phenomenon and

2331
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:15,120
the other cryptids may originate from

2332
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:16,400
the same stimulus

2333
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:19,520
we just don't understand yet

2334
01:21:26,629 --> 01:21:23,360
well you know the the extraterrestrial

2335
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,639
uh theory has kind of been weaning on me

2336
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,400
for years anyway

2337
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,719
i i've the more and more i hear from

2338
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,000
people

2339
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:33,679
that you know come forward with

2340
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:36,560
abduction cases or come forward with

2341
01:21:42,870 --> 01:21:39,920
contact cases it just seems to me

2342
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,880
that we're dealing with something that's

2343
01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:43,520
more

2344
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,430
inter-dimensionally

2345
01:21:56,149 --> 01:21:54,239
from earth it actually comes from earth

2346
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:56,159
if it's underground or someplace where

2347
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,120
it's hidden

2348
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:00,400
or it's in another dimension beside

2349
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:03,920
our plane but it's moving in and out but

2350
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:04,400
it's

2351
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,159
not necessarily coming from another

2352
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:08,320
planet right

2353
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:10,560
right and that's you know what i want to

2354
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:12,960
express i don't have the answers i don't

2355
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:14,480
know what it all means

2356
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,760
but there's something happening out

2357
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:17,760
there oh yeah

2358
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:20,080
yeah and and remember juan we talked a

2359
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,880
while back

2360
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,560
that something i was noticing and some

2361
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:24,400
encrypted reports and you i think you

2362
01:22:26,629 --> 01:22:25,600
had mentioned you have seen them some of

2363
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,639
these cases

2364
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:29,040
where people had encountered cryptids at

2365
01:22:32,709 --> 01:22:30,880
extremely close range

2366
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:32,719
so we're talking within feet in some

2367
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:34,719
cases and they think it was so

2368
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,600
interesting that

2369
01:22:39,510 --> 01:22:37,440
the little detail came up in some cases

2370
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:39,520
to me from the witness was that

2371
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,840
the creature upon seeing that the

2372
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,920
witness had observed them

2373
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,520
appeared to be startled that they could

2374
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:48,000
be seen that this feature appeared to be

2375
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,719
upset

2376
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,560
when realized it was being observed by a

2377
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,320
human yeah and i think that

2378
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,719
that may well be a key to a part of the

2379
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,600
phenomena

2380
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,520
yeah you brought that up the last time i

2381
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,280
talked to you and i was

2382
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:01,760
i was kind of i was really fascinated by

2383
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,080
that but you know you're right because

2384
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:07,040
i have i have been receiving more

2385
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,400
reports

2386
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:11,040
to where the actual witness would say

2387
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,320
that

2388
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:14,000
you know it was either the bigfoot or

2389
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,600
whatever it was

2390
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,840
seemed to notice that they were being

2391
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:18,960
watched

2392
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:25,910
so um yeah that's true that's absolutely

2393
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:26,880
true

2394
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,679
yeah one of the uh interesting k one the

2395
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,520
first case that turned up in

2396
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:33,600
at least that stuck out in my mind was a

2397
01:23:36,550 --> 01:23:35,120
fellaini interview from nearby west

2398
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:36,560
virginia it happened back in the fall

2399
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:38,000
2007.

2400
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,440
it was eight o'clock in the morning this

2401
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:41,360
guy's driving down a two-lane

2402
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,320
road outside of clinton west virginia

2403
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,719
and he had to hit his brakes really hard

2404
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:49,040
because there's this giant bird only a

2405
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,159
few yards ahead

2406
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,880
with a dead animal in its mouth blocking

2407
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:54,239
the road

2408
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,840
and he said this thing easily was at

2409
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,920
least four feet tall because it had been

2410
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,600
extended up above the roof line of his

2411
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,880
car

2412
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,560
and he gave a very detailed script he

2413
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:04,000
said it was covered with dark brown or

2414
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:05,199
black feathers

2415
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:08,000
neck was long and crooked beak was dark

2416
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:08,400
and

2417
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,159
um the legs were covered in feathers the

2418
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,560
feet were bare and

2419
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:17,920
he went on to give a really really

2420
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,440
detailed account but he went on to

2421
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,480
describe

2422
01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:23,120
how as he's watching this thing he said

2423
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,159
that

2424
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:27,040
they each were looking at each other and

2425
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:27,679
it looked

2426
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,679
it could that it apparently that he

2427
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,800
could see it

2428
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,480
and when the birth became struggle it

2429
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,080
pulled its head back

2430
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,800
to stare at the driver and then it ran

2431
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,960
from the cars that was trying to fly off

2432
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:45,120
in an awkward manner it was jumping from

2433
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,400
one foot to the other

2434
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:48,239
in a hopping manner flapping its wings

2435
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,440
and trying to get off the ground

2436
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,760
it was so big it was having a heck of a

2437
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,360
time trying to get off the ground but it

2438
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,480
finally did

2439
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,920
and he said he's watching the thing he

2440
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,760
said the most amazing things was this

2441
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:59,280
monstrous wingspan

2442
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,440
and he said the wing tips you can see

2443
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:02,880
the ends of them on each side of the

2444
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:03,360
road

2445
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:05,040
and it was stirring up the dust and the

2446
01:25:08,629 --> 01:25:07,520
gravel and when it flew off he watches

2447
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:08,639
him real clearly

2448
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,199
he went back the next day to measure the

2449
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:12,639
width of that roadway

2450
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:19,030
that's a big yeah that's a big set of

2451
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:20,159
wings

2452
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:24,239
yeah yeah you know you know when you

2453
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,080
you talk about that it makes you wonder

2454
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,120
why you know is it possible

2455
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:34,080
that these these creatures or whatever

2456
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,280
they are

2457
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,080
are coming into our dimension

2458
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:39,679
accidentally

2459
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,880
yeah that's a possibility too are they

2460
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:44,960
coming in some for some reason

2461
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,600
you know are all the or all these these

2462
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,440
so many reports that

2463
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,320
have been coming out is there something

2464
01:25:57,270 --> 01:25:54,560
changing the dynamic to where

2465
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:57,280
they are coming into this plane or this

2466
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:58,320
dimension

2467
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,880
accidentally and they're realizing that

2468
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,560
they are

2469
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:04,639
or it's something that's never hasn't

2470
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:08,800
happened to them before

2471
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:11,520
yeah it just like i said so many

2472
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,400
questions and

2473
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,320
not enough answers we just don't know

2474
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:16,560
yeah but it appears as though

2475
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,639
that there has been you know an increase

2476
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,400
in these type of reports

2477
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,480
and um the last few years of course

2478
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:24,000
we've had some very interesting

2479
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,800
cryptid reports especially since 2011.

2480
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:28,080
uh

2481
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,920
you recall that case we had at that

2482
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,440
leveling eight foot tall creature with

2483
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:33,199
the wings tucked in that side up

2484
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,920
north of pittsburgh in butler yeah

2485
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,520
apparently there were several people saw

2486
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:38,800
that thing

2487
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:42,000
and uh 2011 had some really

2488
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,280
fine odd cases uh here in pennsylvania

2489
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,639
um and of course you know we still get

2490
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,719
occasional bigfoot reports or other

2491
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,760
entities

2492
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:54,080
that appear to have self-luminescent

2493
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:55,760
glowing eyes

2494
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:57,840
we just had this case down near west

2495
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,880
newton pa may 17th of this year

2496
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,040
so west newton's in westmoreland county

2497
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,000
has a lot of history of bigfoot activity

2498
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:08,560
um one of the first cases i looked into

2499
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:09,199
was late

2500
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,719
60s probably about 66 or 67 where people

2501
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,639
had seen a very large

2502
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:16,480
hair covered creature with dirty white

2503
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,920
hair in the woods down there and they

2504
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,360
had found some tracks

2505
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,880
that was one of the first case i look

2506
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:23,040
into but

2507
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,800
in may of this year a fella and his

2508
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:26,560
teenage daughter were driving down the

2509
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,040
road

2510
01:27:30,629 --> 01:27:29,120
back running around 11 o'clock and they

2511
01:27:32,390 --> 01:27:30,639
noticed off to the right would appear to

2512
01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:32,400
be a person stooped down on the side of

2513
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:33,199
the road

2514
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:36,480
and as they got closer it stood up and a

2515
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:38,960
walk down right in front of the car

2516
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,719
and the guy had to swerve to the left

2517
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:42,239
lane to miss hitting what he thought was

2518
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,040
a person

2519
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:45,360
then realized that this thing was very

2520
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,239
large

2521
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,800
come with a long dark dark black fur

2522
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,719
appeared to be black for all of the body

2523
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:52,400
and the eyes were soft luminescent

2524
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:53,840
glowing

2525
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,719
and his daughter started screaming and

2526
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:58,159
he went down the river

2527
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:59,440
he told me he said look in the rear view

2528
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,719
mirror and i could still see it stand in

2529
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,760
the middle of the road looking at me as

2530
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,440
i'm riding down and he said i can still

2531
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:05,040
see the glowing eyes

2532
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:07,280
so he said that was it wasn't reflection

2533
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:08,960
off the headlights for example

2534
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:11,360
and in so many of these cases there's no

2535
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,280
reflective light there's no moon

2536
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,520
there's no lights in the area so these

2537
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:17,360
seem to be very intense

2538
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:20,239
very brilliant self-illumination cases

2539
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,880
we have it

2540
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:22,800
in the reports that we have i had one

2541
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,760
incident years ago of two hunters

2542
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:27,040
and that in fact they made an official

2543
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:28,800
report on this and i got it

2544
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:32,239
um they were out hunting down near um

2545
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:33,760
irwin i believe was irwin north

2546
01:28:38,790 --> 01:28:36,719
huntington and they saw this creature

2547
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:38,800
oh i believe like 20 30 feet away it

2548
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:40,000
wasn't very forward

2549
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,920
but interestingly they could see it very

2550
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:43,280
easily where it was

2551
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:46,719
standing and when it would turn its head

2552
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:48,560
the eye color would change from bright

2553
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:57,510
wow just strange stuff

2554
01:29:01,990 --> 01:28:59,600
well you know i i could attest to the

2555
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,000
ico or or luminescence

2556
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,560
because you know 88 i had that thing i

2557
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:06,000
called the konawaena phantom and that

2558
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:06,320
thing

2559
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,080
definitely had eyes illuminated and uh

2560
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:13,120
you know so i i'll attest to that myself

2561
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:15,280
that does happen and i mean you know

2562
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:17,920
it's been seen

2563
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,760
so but you do hear a lot you know

2564
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:23,120
it's something about those eyes they

2565
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:25,040
they're you know

2566
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:27,920
and it's just not one type of being it's

2567
01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:28,320
it's

2568
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:32,480
anomalies that have a luminescence about

2569
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:33,360
them

2570
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:36,880
and uh yeah yeah it is it's consistent

2571
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,189
oh my

2572
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:46,070
god it never stops you know people

2573
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:47,199
always seeing things

2574
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,920
and it's just a continuous phenomena the

2575
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,679
usrb reports coming in i mean there's

2576
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:53,920
been a lot of ufo activity

2577
01:30:00,149 --> 01:29:57,040
in the last few years we've had amazing

2578
01:30:01,830 --> 01:30:00,159
cases of ufos probably one of the best

2579
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:01,840
cases i've had more recent years was

2580
01:30:09,189 --> 01:30:06,560
june 1st of 2013 uh

2581
01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:09,199
on a major highway in north huntington

2582
01:30:12,310 --> 01:30:10,880
township we brought that name up a

2583
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,320
couple times because of some of the

2584
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:13,920
other stuff that's going on around there

2585
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:17,040
more recently but a woman who did not

2586
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:19,040
believe in ufos and her three-year-old

2587
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:20,000
child

2588
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,520
had just come out of a convenience store

2589
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:23,280
around 10 o'clock at night on the and

2590
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:24,880
they made a left on to uh

2591
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:27,440
ralph 30 eastbound and she just went up

2592
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:29,120
the road a short waist and suddenly she

2593
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:30,320
had to almost stop in the middle of the

2594
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:31,360
road

2595
01:30:36,390 --> 01:30:34,159
here's this huge metallic rectangular

2596
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:36,400
object about 60 feet above the highway

2597
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:39,440
taking up all four lanes it made no

2598
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,040
sound the lighting on it

2599
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,960
and she she drew me a sketch it's on my

2600
01:30:46,550 --> 01:30:44,560
website and

2601
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,560
the the coloring the lighting on it was

2602
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:48,719
unlike navigational lighting it made no

2603
01:30:51,669 --> 01:30:49,360
sound

2604
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:51,679
her three-year-old baby yells mommy

2605
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:53,679
flying ipad in the sky

2606
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:56,239
and she had to pass underneath the

2607
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:56,960
object

2608
01:31:01,189 --> 01:30:59,199
she was on her cell phone as she passed

2609
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:01,199
underneath the object

2610
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:03,360
the digital displays on her dash and her

2611
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,480
car all went out

2612
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:07,280
her digital clock went out her fm radio

2613
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,600
station she was just went off the air

2614
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,840
she uh lost her cell phone signal and

2615
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,679
she tried to take a picture

2616
01:31:17,189 --> 01:31:15,840
and this has come up in the past too she

2617
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:17,199
tried to take a picture

2618
01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:19,120
with her iphone and it wouldn't let her

2619
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:20,960
go into the photo mode

2620
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:23,760
and as she's driving down the road all

2621
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,840
the electronics come back on

2622
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,520
and i talked to her recently she said

2623
01:31:33,189 --> 01:31:29,760
you know what since that night

2624
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:33,199
my car which was relatively new has not

2625
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:34,960
operated properly has been in another

2626
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:36,400
shop many times and they can't find it

2627
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:37,440
yeah

2628
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:39,760
and uh so that's interesting that was

2629
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:41,679
one of the more classic kind of cases

2630
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:43,280
you don't hear about those as often as

2631
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:47,760
we did back in the 60s and 70s

2632
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,360
yeah that seemed to happen more back

2633
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:51,360
then yeah that's true

2634
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:53,840
that's true yeah yeah and there's

2635
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:55,360
something i've always wanted i wanted to

2636
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:58,159
ask you and i never thought about it but

2637
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:01,360
i wanted to get your take on this todd

2638
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:02,639
sees incident

2639
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:04,960
now i don't know how familiar with it i

2640
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:06,320
know you are familiar with

2641
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:09,520
respect that there was supposedly

2642
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,960
some ufo sighting attached to it

2643
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:15,120
what do you think about it well you know

2644
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:17,600
it was unfortunate situation with me

2645
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:20,719
the day it happened my stepson was

2646
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:21,440
involved in

2647
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:25,120
a serious head-on collision and uh

2648
01:32:28,950 --> 01:32:26,960
he was in a pretty bad shape so for

2649
01:32:30,950 --> 01:32:28,960
weeks i was tied up in the hospital

2650
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,960
so i couldn't get involved in it by the

2651
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:32,800
time i got out and i knew about it i

2652
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,440
knew

2653
01:32:36,870 --> 01:32:35,440
others have already pursued it and i

2654
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:36,880
just let others who were already

2655
01:32:40,470 --> 01:32:38,239
involved get involved in it because i

2656
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,480
knew i was gonna be tied up here so i

2657
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:43,199
i only got to read what i've seen out

2658
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:43,760
there

2659
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:47,840
controversy it's interesting

2660
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:49,440
you know i'm not sure what happened

2661
01:32:53,830 --> 01:32:51,920
there i think we need a lot more data

2662
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:53,840
more evidence or really be sure because

2663
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,639
there could be

2664
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,880
more than one explanation for it but

2665
01:33:02,390 --> 01:32:58,400
it's definitely interesting

2666
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,400
it's not the kind of case that has

2667
01:33:06,709 --> 01:33:05,040
typically shown up you know i mean there

2668
01:33:08,310 --> 01:33:06,719
have been a few oddball cases

2669
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:08,320
somewhat similar especially from south

2670
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:10,719
america going back to the 60s

2671
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,960
right but it's not something that you

2672
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,600
saw as a part of a pattern of

2673
01:33:19,350 --> 01:33:18,400
incidents you know with ufo cases over

2674
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:19,360
the years

2675
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:21,679
but who's to say i mean who's to say it

2676
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,560
couldn't happen

2677
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:24,560
something happened there the question is

2678
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:27,360
what was it it's a distinct case

2679
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:29,280
yeah uh basically because there was a

2680
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:31,679
body you know somebody died

2681
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:35,120
yeah if it was a ufo if it was alien

2682
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,719
involvement a human was involved and

2683
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:40,080
died because of it

2684
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,520
now yeah i'm not saying that in

2685
01:33:47,590 --> 01:33:45,760
well i probably am saying that you know

2686
01:33:49,430 --> 01:33:47,600
there have been abductions

2687
01:33:51,669 --> 01:33:49,440
where people i believe people just never

2688
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,679
should back up

2689
01:33:55,110 --> 01:33:53,360
now you know i think that people have

2690
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,120
disappeared for good

2691
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:57,920
for whatever reason and you know but the

2692
01:34:03,510 --> 01:33:59,920
fact that this

2693
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:03,520
that todd c's body ended up

2694
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,199
in fan was found 36 hours later makes it

2695
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:09,280
absolutely unique now i'm not going to

2696
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,400
come out and say

2697
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:12,719
that he was absolutely abducted but the

2698
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:14,239
circumstances

2699
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:23,189
it was at a power line a power you know

2700
01:34:27,189 --> 01:34:24,880
where it actually occurred

2701
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:27,199
and where the two witnesses saw his

2702
01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:29,040
supposedly saw his body

2703
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:31,440
or him being drawn up into a light beam

2704
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:33,120
into this graph

2705
01:34:38,790 --> 01:34:37,040
now who knows

2706
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:38,800
it's very intriguing it's very

2707
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:40,639
interesting you know

2708
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,520
and like i said somebody out there

2709
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,800
probably knows a lot more than they're

2710
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:46,000
saying about it

2711
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:48,800
and uh you know like i said i like so

2712
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,679
many of the very oddball case i ran into

2713
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:53,679
many many high strangers cases over the

2714
01:34:57,430 --> 01:34:54,960
years in pennsylvania

2715
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:57,440
that would fall into that category and

2716
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:58,560
unfortunately you know

2717
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:00,239
i wasn't able to get involved in it at

2718
01:35:04,229 --> 01:35:01,840
the time i wish i had

2719
01:35:05,910 --> 01:35:04,239
um but i think a lot of people have been

2720
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:05,920
doing well not but a few of you guys

2721
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:07,119
have been out there doing some research

2722
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,840
on it

2723
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:09,840
and uh there may well be other people

2724
01:35:15,109 --> 01:35:11,920
out there that know something

2725
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:15,119
well it is frustrating we've been trying

2726
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:18,719
to hit a lot of different channels and

2727
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,320
we're you know a lot of it has been

2728
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:22,080
suppressed and it's it

2729
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:25,520
it's obvious yeah so well you know i've

2730
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:27,600
over the years i get a lot of this from

2731
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:29,520
memory but going back especially

2732
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:32,320
70s to 80s there were significant

2733
01:35:35,990 --> 01:35:34,000
incidents in pennsylvania

2734
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:36,000
and some of these cases suggested that

2735
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,119
there had been

2736
01:35:41,990 --> 01:35:40,400
some government involvement and

2737
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:42,000
the public didn't hear a lot of the

2738
01:35:44,310 --> 01:35:43,520
details about what really had taken

2739
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,320
place we

2740
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:45,920
we ran to a number of different cases

2741
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:47,440
where we were stonewalled

2742
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,119
and uh we thought there was something

2743
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:51,360
going on but kecksburg's a perfect

2744
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:54,080
example i mean you know

2745
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:55,920
although there was definitely

2746
01:36:02,390 --> 01:35:58,719
suppression as far as kecksburg goes

2747
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:02,400
oh yeah well you know well that case we

2748
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,679
could talk about for days

2749
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:06,080
i know and and there's no doubt that you

2750
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,119
know the government

2751
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:09,360
knew and knows a lot more about that

2752
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,960
case they've ever told the public

2753
01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:13,040
do you think do you think that they're

2754
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:14,400
really that

2755
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:17,840
this crap was actually seen again later

2756
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:21,119
over at uh wright patterson oh yeah

2757
01:36:24,470 --> 01:36:22,480
and the reason i'll tell you that is

2758
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:24,480
because i have i have

2759
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:27,679
uh i had really good separate

2760
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,360
information from different people who

2761
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:31,760
had contacted me about it first went

2762
01:36:35,590 --> 01:36:32,800
actually to

2763
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,600
lockport air force base it how it came

2764
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:37,199
about and i found this out

2765
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,040
in the summer of 1990 before uh we

2766
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,560
did that season premiere for unsolved

2767
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:44,239
mysteries on the case that was the first

2768
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:44,960
big

2769
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,920
national tv show to really get into the

2770
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:50,080
case and that opened up a lot of

2771
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:51,679
for new information around the country

2772
01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:53,440
of different people have moved away from

2773
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,520
the area people who

2774
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:57,199
from around the country had details

2775
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:58,560
about the case and it really

2776
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:01,600
really helped open that story up but

2777
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,760
in that summer a man contacted me

2778
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:07,920
he had an extensive background that i

2779
01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,360
was able to check out

2780
01:37:12,950 --> 01:37:10,960
and he told me he was a part of the air

2781
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,960
force security police that had guarded

2782
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,920
the object

2783
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,600
when it came at the lockbourne air force

2784
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:17,520
base outside of columbus ohio

2785
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:19,199
during the early morning hours of

2786
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:21,119
december 10th

2787
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,560
and that's it and what we knew from

2788
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,960
others now interestingly another person

2789
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:26,639
who he didn't know and probably still

2790
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,760
doesn't know

2791
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:30,000
told me pretty much the same thing both

2792
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:31,440
told me that they used a

2793
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,440
a certain entrance they normally didn't

2794
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,960
use to bring the

2795
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,880
the military flat that tractor trailer

2796
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,960
truck with a tarped object on it

2797
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,360
and they backed it into a hangar and

2798
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,280
what he said was they set up a security

2799
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:45,360
perimeter around that anger

2800
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:47,520
and they were given a shoot to kill

2801
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,360
order to anybody that purchased that

2802
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:51,119
angle without the proper authority

2803
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,119
wow now he said he didn't stay on the

2804
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,880
team that much longer but he heard

2805
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,800
that had continued on to write paterson

2806
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:58,320
air force base

2807
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,080
so after the unsolved mystery shows tv

2808
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,159
aired again i had many many leads

2809
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,719
fella contacted me uh this gentleman

2810
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:08,080
he's now deceased

2811
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:12,080
he uh his name was myron and he said

2812
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:13,600
i guess i'm allowed to talk to you about

2813
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:15,199
it now since it's on television i said

2814
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,480
what are you talking about

2815
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:19,119
so he goes on to tell me how he worked

2816
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:20,320
for a large

2817
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,440
supply house in ohio at the time and

2818
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:26,159
uh interestingly and a lot of details he

2819
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:26,800
gave us

2820
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,000
we were able to check out the fact that

2821
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:30,000
the lakeland springfield who is

2822
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:31,920
basically the father of ufo

2823
01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:35,040
crash retrievals he and i were very very

2824
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,400
close and worked very close together in

2825
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,000
a lot of cases he did a lot of

2826
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:39,840
investigation on the ohio side on this

2827
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:41,199
case at the time

2828
01:38:49,030 --> 01:38:45,520
and anyhow what we found out was

2829
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:49,040
that a navy officer

2830
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,480
and that's interesting because a lot of

2831
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,719
people didn't know but before on the

2832
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:54,880
keckster case early in the case and

2833
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:58,000
as it was starting before

2834
01:39:01,189 --> 01:39:00,080
the army and the air force and nasa and

2835
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,199
others were brought up

2836
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,760
it was the navy that first came up as

2837
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,159
being interested or involved in the case

2838
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:08,719
so anyhow when what myron tells it was

2839
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:09,199
that

2840
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,400
a navy officer came to this supply house

2841
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,880
to order a large supply of a special

2842
01:39:18,550 --> 01:39:17,040
type of glazed engineering brick

2843
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,560
to be taken to wright patterson air

2844
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:21,119
force base so this was all within days

2845
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,560
after the object had been recovered in

2846
01:39:25,910 --> 01:39:24,000
pennsylvania

2847
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:25,920
there was there was a second truck

2848
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:27,440
driver

2849
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,560
who initially didn't all want to get

2850
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,760
involved didn't want to talk about it

2851
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:33,199
but he later did

2852
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:35,840
he later confirmed to lennon to myself

2853
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:36,560
that

2854
01:39:39,990 --> 01:39:38,880
he uh was the first truck driver he

2855
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,000
brought the first load these

2856
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:42,639
bricks in to the base it was an escort

2857
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:43,679
into the base

2858
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:46,320
and when he got there today before meyer

2859
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:46,800
and he

2860
01:39:51,669 --> 01:39:50,080
both went that the flatbed trailer with

2861
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,679
the tarps object was outside of this

2862
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,440
warehouse building

2863
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,360
and uh he said to him would look like a

2864
01:39:58,790 --> 01:39:57,440
big like a big liberty bell just from

2865
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:58,800
the shape that's the best way he could

2866
01:40:00,870 --> 01:39:59,520
describe it

2867
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,880
another guy said it looked like a big

2868
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:03,199
chocolate drop and the witness was of

2869
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:04,480
course with the scenes that'll look like

2870
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,360
a big

2871
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:08,400
buried in the ground

2872
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:10,560
with the hieroglyphic markings on it so

2873
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:12,080
anyhow

2874
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,440
uh we find out that the next day myron

2875
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,520
and this truck driver

2876
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:20,880
are escorted in to the base and they

2877
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,679
have these two

2878
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:23,199
big loads of bricks and they're just

2879
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:24,880
told do your job

2880
01:40:29,350 --> 01:40:27,119
don't be looking around just get the

2881
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:29,360
bricks on you know unload the bricks

2882
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,560
well they've been there for quite a

2883
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:32,960
while and myron was a curious kind of

2884
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:33,840
guy

2885
01:40:37,270 --> 01:40:36,000
because he kept seeing these fellas that

2886
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:37,280
he was able to

2887
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:38,880
identify as navy guys because he

2888
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,560
remembered saying he couldn't remember

2889
01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,080
exactly where it was on the cap

2890
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:43,760
or somewhere but he saw an emblem or

2891
01:40:47,669 --> 01:40:45,280
symbol that was navy

2892
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:47,679
and he was sure that they had sidearms

2893
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:48,880
they had

2894
01:40:56,229 --> 01:40:54,400
protective items on like rubber gloves

2895
01:40:58,070 --> 01:40:56,239
they were and they were continually

2896
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:58,080
changing some of their outer clothing

2897
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,360
and he was trying to figure out what's

2898
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:01,840
going on so when he didn't see anybody

2899
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:03,600
around the entrance of that building

2900
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,960
here we had overlooked inside that

2901
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:07,119
warehouse and up on that scaffolding

2902
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,719
and there's ladders going up here's that

2903
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,560
big metallic acorn shaped object with

2904
01:41:14,310 --> 01:41:12,159
the hieroglyphic markings on it

2905
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:14,320
kind of an off bronze color off gold

2906
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:15,280
one's color

2907
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,639
and these guys apparently trying to get

2908
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:18,480
inside this thing

2909
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,840
and uh anyhow to make the story short

2910
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:23,920
at some point he's he starts asking

2911
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,280
questions

2912
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,600
and apparently he will soon realize that

2913
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:29,760
he didn't have the proper clearance

2914
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:32,080
and he was threatened and he was told

2915
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,520
just keep your mouth shut don't talk

2916
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,639
about what you see

2917
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,920
if you do we're going to throw you in

2918
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,920
jail and throw away the keys

2919
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,840
but in 20 years this will all be public

2920
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:41,679
knowledge but of course that never

2921
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,400
happened

2922
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:45,360
sure and uh but anyhow there's a lot

2923
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,639
more to the story

2924
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,360
and uh anyhow yeah we have pretty good

2925
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,880
carpet i mean i know exactly what

2926
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,400
growing they took it to

2927
01:41:55,830 --> 01:41:54,560
if i had if i had access to the base i

2928
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,840
could drive there right now

2929
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,280
now whether it's still there today who

2930
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,239
knows well that's just it you know

2931
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,400
and you know you said navy intelligence

2932
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:04,560
and that does make perfect sense

2933
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:06,080
maybe intelligence they were they were

2934
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:08,960
kind of the big dog on the block

2935
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:12,480
back then even though nasa did did do

2936
01:42:15,669 --> 01:42:14,639
did initiate investigations navy

2937
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:15,679
intelligence

2938
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:18,239
they were the big dog well the navy

2939
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,119
actually

2940
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,360
was the forerunner of one of the ufo

2941
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,040
investigations back in the 40s

2942
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:25,119
yeah i mean they got into it really

2943
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:26,239
deeply for

2944
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:29,040
later the air force and other agencies

2945
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:30,880
got involved in it so they've had a long

2946
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,880
role in the ufo research for many years

2947
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:34,719
yeah yeah you're right you're right

2948
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,629
oh very interesting all right maybe some

2949
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,320
will come out one day i don't know i

2950
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:44,000
doubt it but you know

2951
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,600
the uh this ketchup thing it just it

2952
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:48,639
still

2953
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,669
you know when people come when people

2954
01:42:59,189 --> 01:42:57,840
come around say well you know

2955
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:59,199
it's had something to do with a russian

2956
01:43:01,510 --> 01:43:00,480
satellite well you know that's

2957
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:01,520
ridiculous

2958
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:04,960
and uh you know the nazi

2959
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:08,960
angle the nazi bell angle is intriguing

2960
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:12,719
but you know i don't know

2961
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:15,440
it's one of many many theories you know

2962
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:16,159
next year

2963
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,840
it's hard for me to believe the next

2964
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:19,760
year will mark 50 years i investigated

2965
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,560
the case

2966
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,320
and i'm still getting leads on it even

2967
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,480
this year on occasion when i'm some

2968
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,760
local events

2969
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,520
some old timer will come up to me and

2970
01:43:31,189 --> 01:43:28,960
say well i was there that night

2971
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:31,199
he said i was a kid you know i was there

2972
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:33,119
i got stopped by the military and talked

2973
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:34,560
tell me about the soldiers the army

2974
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:36,480
trucks you saw and they're still out

2975
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:37,920
there there's still people out there who

2976
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:38,639
are involved and

2977
01:43:42,070 --> 01:43:41,119
have never come public and i and i truly

2978
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:42,080
believe

2979
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:44,000
somebody out there has the evidence i

2980
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:45,600
truly believe from information i've

2981
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,480
gotten that

2982
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,800
somebody in this area has black and

2983
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,080
white photographs

2984
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:52,320
of the object on the ground and some of

2985
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:54,159
the military units over there that night

2986
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:54,480
and

2987
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:59,199
say i got these pictures you're going to

2988
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,000
want to see them

2989
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,400
i really believe they're out there but

2990
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:04,159
next year will be 50 years

2991
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,920
and by the way in july we'll have the

2992
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,600
textbook ufo festival

2993
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:09,199
and i expect it'll be something very

2994
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:11,199
special we've been getting huge crowds

2995
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:11,840
out there

2996
01:44:16,229 --> 01:44:14,159
especially this past year and i expect

2997
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,239
next year for 50th it'll really uh

2998
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:18,800
be interesting but anyhow you know over

2999
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:21,119
the years of the hundreds of people i've

3000
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:22,719
interviewed about the case and

3001
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:25,280
a number of people approached me and all

3002
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:27,199
these people were different people

3003
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:28,639
and they all had different theories and

3004
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,920
they said i know for sure what the

3005
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:31,760
kecksburg object was and everybody had a

3006
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,199
different story

3007
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:35,280
and there have been many many theories

3008
01:44:39,910 --> 01:44:36,480
and you know

3009
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:39,920
the first scenario we got

3010
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:41,520
happened at the time we learned it was

3011
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:42,960
from an air force officer who was

3012
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:44,800
investigating some of

3013
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,560
well uh some people who lived in a

3014
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,000
family were involved in the case and

3015
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:49,600
lived within walking distance the word

3016
01:44:53,030 --> 01:44:50,560
fell

3017
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:53,040
and this officer told them that he had

3018
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,880
information that a germany capsule had

3019
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,480
been expelled in the area

3020
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,400
and of course we know now that's not the

3021
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:00,480
case

3022
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:03,199
another guy called me years ago and said

3023
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:04,480
i know for certain

3024
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:07,679
it was a projectile fought fired from a

3025
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:10,159
giant gun from a railroad car in canada

3026
01:45:13,669 --> 01:45:12,400
well we we eliminated that pretty easy

3027
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,679
another person said

3028
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:16,080
he knew positivity was a soviet icbm

3029
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:17,520
that came down in the area

3030
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,000
and it goes on and on and on and you

3031
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:22,080
know it wasn't until some books started

3032
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,960
coming out

3033
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,639
when they start talking about the nazi

3034
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:26,719
bell deglock that i started getting

3035
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:28,159
calls about it

3036
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:31,520
and you know it's an interesting theory

3037
01:45:35,910 --> 01:45:33,920
i really see no evidence of two related

3038
01:45:39,669 --> 01:45:35,920
in fact i've seen no evidence

3039
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,679
that convinces me that the nazis ever

3040
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,520
came to completion on a project like

3041
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:43,040
that there's no doubt they were working

3042
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:44,639
a lot of interesting

3043
01:45:51,189 --> 01:45:47,840
uh iron ideological

3044
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,199
experimentations but i've seen no

3045
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,639
evidence that the bell which

3046
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,800
depending what you look at some claim

3047
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:56,800
was an anti-gravity device or a time

3048
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:57,679
machine

3049
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,199
i've seen no evidence that it was a

3050
01:46:03,030 --> 01:46:01,280
maneuverable flying craft

3051
01:46:04,629 --> 01:46:03,040
because whatever this object was you've

3052
01:46:06,149 --> 01:46:04,639
got to remember this thing is moving

3053
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,159
relatively slowly

3054
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,320
it's maybe making change in direction

3055
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:10,560
along its trajectory its path

3056
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:13,840
it makes a slow descent it's completely

3057
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:14,719
intact

3058
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:17,440
no parachute scene big enough for me to

3059
01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:18,639
stand inside of

3060
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:20,960
no rivets no weld marks no seams no

3061
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:23,520
wings no fuselage

3062
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:26,960
kind of odd for it had hieroglyphics on

3063
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:28,719
it that nobody has any idea

3064
01:46:33,030 --> 01:46:31,840
what they need no well no and again you

3065
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:33,040
know back in that time

3066
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,119
you know the people out there basically

3067
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:37,040
first yeah we now know that

3068
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:39,199
after it fell some local civilians went

3069
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:40,560
down into the woods

3070
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:42,800
and came across a large metallic object

3071
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,320
semi beard in the ground

3072
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:46,719
then a little later you know you had

3073
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:48,639
firemen and then you had the military

3074
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:49,280
coming in

3075
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:51,360
then once the military is there the area

3076
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,040
is cordoned off

3077
01:46:57,270 --> 01:46:55,360
so people can't get down but what they

3078
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,280
didn't know was that some civilians that

3079
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:58,800
had already gotten down had seen the

3080
01:47:01,590 --> 01:46:59,679
object

3081
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:01,600
and then later numerous people around

3082
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,280
one o'clock in the morning

3083
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:05,600
see the military flatbed tractor trailer

3084
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:07,199
leaving there with the tarps objects at

3085
01:47:10,310 --> 01:47:08,320
high rate of speed

3086
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,320
so numerous people saw that flatbed

3087
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:12,400
going out of there in fact i now have

3088
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:14,080
evidence and it's good data

3089
01:47:17,270 --> 01:47:16,159
that there were two military flatbeds at

3090
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:17,280
the scene that night

3091
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:19,280
one i know went out earlier the other

3092
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:20,719
one with the object went out around one

3093
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:22,159
o'clock in the morning they went

3094
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:23,600
apparently two different

3095
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,600
locations and uh there's there's so

3096
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:30,000
many details amazing details about this

3097
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,280
case we uncovered

3098
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:33,360
and there's a lot of interesting things

3099
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:34,480
and yeah

3100
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:35,840
there's pretty good evidence that there

3101
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:38,400
was uh some a government cover-up that

3102
01:47:40,950 --> 01:47:39,760
they haven't told the public the truth

3103
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:40,960
about what happened

3104
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:45,280
and one interesting little tidbit was uh

3105
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:47,199
for those interested in this aspect of

3106
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,480
it that uh one of

3107
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,719
one fellow who apparently was hiding

3108
01:47:55,270 --> 01:47:52,800
down in the woods at the time

3109
01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:55,280
and kept his story quiet for years and

3110
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:57,280
years and years i mean it wasn't until

3111
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:00,400
i i had a lead on this guy back

3112
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:02,960
well i got i got his name came up to me

3113
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,960
again in november 2002

3114
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:06,239
when the sci-fi channel and the

3115
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:07,600
coalition of freedom information were

3116
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,639
doing a big

3117
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,800
investigation on this case and i had a

3118
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:12,480
list of names of people who were willing

3119
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:14,000
to talk to me and this guy's name had

3120
01:48:16,790 --> 01:48:14,560
come up

3121
01:48:18,310 --> 01:48:16,800
i think it was like 13 years before has

3122
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:18,320
a fellow who had been hiding down in the

3123
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:19,280
woods

3124
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:21,119
and i got a lead on him want to contact

3125
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,480
him he didn't deny it

3126
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:24,000
he just told me he was afraid to get in

3127
01:48:26,709 --> 01:48:25,520
trouble with the government and his

3128
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,719
family didn't want him involved

3129
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,560
he just didn't want to get involved but

3130
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,159
then in 2002

3131
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:32,639
i did get to interview him finally spent

3132
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:34,400
a lot of time in many interviews with

3133
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:35,760
him he told me how

3134
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,639
some amazing things and unusual things

3135
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:40,320
but one thing he brought up was that

3136
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,920
as he's hiding down in the woods that

3137
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:43,360
afternoon so this was probably soon

3138
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,719
after it fell

3139
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,119
he he was there just as things were

3140
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,960
beginning unfold he sees civilians

3141
01:48:51,910 --> 01:48:50,080
coming in

3142
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:51,920
then he seems army and air force coming

3143
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:53,440
in he was in the military so he knew

3144
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:54,320
what he was seeing

3145
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,000
he kept hiding in the woods and moving

3146
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,760
back into the thicker trees and

3147
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:59,119
keeping branches around them so they

3148
01:49:03,189 --> 01:49:00,960
couldn't see them but the interesting

3149
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,199
thing was

3150
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,600
he's telling me about um he fell down or

3151
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,320
one guy in particular and he said

3152
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,480
he didn't he said i don't want to be a

3153
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:12,000
politician down there he wasn't sure it

3154
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:13,599
was a senator congressman i said what

3155
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:15,040
are you talking about he said yeah

3156
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,400
he said i understand why he would be

3157
01:49:21,109 --> 01:49:18,159
down in the woods and i said why he said

3158
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:21,119
well this guy's dressed in a dress suit

3159
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,000
a tie

3160
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,719
and a dress hat and he's telling the

3161
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:26,800
military people what to do

3162
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,880
and this guy had a camera and he called

3163
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:30,400
the craft the object whatever you want

3164
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:32,480
to call it he called it the hickey

3165
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,159
and he said this guy could take it all

3166
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:36,480
kind of photographs of the hickey

3167
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:39,760
and so anyhow he went on and gave me

3168
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:41,920
a long scenario of some odd things that

3169
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:43,760
happened and what he saw

3170
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:46,320
and uh but he wasn't the only one to

3171
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:47,520
talk about the fact that there

3172
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:48,400
apparently were

3173
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,880
government personnel and some

3174
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:52,480
interesting characters on the scene that

3175
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:54,560
night

3176
01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:56,159
yeah you know it's kind of hard for me

3177
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,760
to believe that nobody got a picture of

3178
01:50:01,589 --> 01:49:58,400
it

3179
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:01,599
uh you know for as many people that did

3180
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:03,040
see it come down

3181
01:50:07,589 --> 01:50:05,679
and started gravitating to that area

3182
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:07,599
right after it happened

3183
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:11,040
uh i mean it took the military over an

3184
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:12,800
hour to get there didn't it

3185
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,719
well you remember this happened about 4

3186
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:16,719
47 in the afternoon

3187
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:19,280
okay it's just about dark well let me

3188
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:21,119
tell you if you could ride around that

3189
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,800
area for days and nights

3190
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,560
and you'd never possibly be able to see

3191
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,920
the impact site down in the middle of

3192
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:27,199
the woods in the ravine

3193
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:30,000
yeah and so unless you knew where it was

3194
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:31,520
you couldn't possibly see it from

3195
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:32,320
anywhere

3196
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:35,119
so the military could easily have rode

3197
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:36,480
around it for hours

3198
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,000
until somebody took them down to the

3199
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,840
site they would have had no idea where

3200
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:40,560
it was

3201
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:43,679
yeah okay that's one thing um

3202
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,760
it's very hard to determine exactly how

3203
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:47,520
long it was before the military started

3204
01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,239
arriving

3205
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:50,639
i believe it was several hours later

3206
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,440
that they

3207
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,920
began to commit more in numbers but

3208
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,159
there are some witnesses who swear

3209
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,560
that was in the hour they began to see

3210
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:01,199
at least a minor military presence

3211
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,719
which means that there very well could

3212
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,239
have been some local

3213
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:06,719
military units or somebody was activated

3214
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,880
to start out initially and look

3215
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,960
but most of the military seemed to come

3216
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,719
in you know during the early

3217
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,840
evening hours and uh and

3218
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:17,360
there's so many accounts for so many

3219
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:18,639
different people you know what was

3220
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,679
interesting

3221
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,679
is the fact that you know as this is

3222
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,360
being broadcast on pittsburgh

3223
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:25,840
radio and tv that this object had fallen

3224
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:27,599
well then hundreds of people

3225
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,920
to send on the small farming community

3226
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:31,360
to try to get down and take a look at

3227
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:32,480
this thing and it can't get anywhere

3228
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:33,199
near it

3229
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,199
in fact where most of these people were

3230
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:36,800
up on this high lookout

3231
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:39,280
with this narrow winding road they

3232
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:41,040
didn't realize the thing actually fell

3233
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:42,719
far on the opposite side down in this

3234
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:45,040
ravine it was on the opposite sides

3235
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,400
where most of the military

3236
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:48,800
activity was taking place so it depends

3237
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:49,840
on where you were

3238
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,280
what you saw i i was

3239
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,320
i was wondering if now did any of the

3240
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:58,400
airports or any military

3241
01:52:01,830 --> 01:52:00,000
get a track on this thing as it was

3242
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,840
coming in okay

3243
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:04,719
officially official the only government

3244
01:52:07,270 --> 01:52:05,280
document

3245
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:07,280
ever showed up was the air force project

3246
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,639
blue book report

3247
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:10,080
and it's not under keck's brick it's

3248
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:11,760
live in acme pennsylvania

3249
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,520
right and i've felt for years the reason

3250
01:52:19,270 --> 01:52:17,520
for that was because i know an air force

3251
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,280
officer interviewed

3252
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,840
some family members who have been

3253
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:23,360
involved in the case and within walking

3254
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:24,639
distance of where it fell

3255
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,480
but their mailing address is under acme

3256
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,639
pa not kecksburg

3257
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,719
and uh so i believe that's why it's

3258
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,159
always been listed that way

3259
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,040
but officially the government says this

3260
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,199
thing was never tracked by radar

3261
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,920
however sources i had over the years and

3262
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:41,679
they were some good sources told me

3263
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:43,920
independently it was definitely being

3264
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:44,880
tracked over a

3265
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,880
great distance they had tracked this

3266
01:52:50,070 --> 01:52:48,480
thing for quite a distance

3267
01:52:51,990 --> 01:52:50,080
that's probably how they activated the

3268
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:52,000
unit so quickly they had a pretty good

3269
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:53,679
idea where it was going to come down not

3270
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:54,239
the exact

3271
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:56,159
area but the general area so they had

3272
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:57,360
the moving

3273
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,840
and another detail i came up with the

3274
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:01,520
more recent years because now i have

3275
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,239
enough

3276
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:04,800
independent people who now confirm this

3277
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:05,760
and something i had

3278
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,560
no already anything on many years ago

3279
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:10,080
but now we got enough data that

3280
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,000
confirmed that there was at least one

3281
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,880
possibly two military jets from at least

3282
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:15,599
ohio

3283
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:17,360
into areas of pennsylvania that were

3284
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:18,800
pursuing the object

3285
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:22,239
oh well that's new yeah

3286
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:25,599
wow yeah i i think they almost would

3287
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:26,639
have had to

3288
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,599
had some idea of what that something was

3289
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,800
moving in there

3290
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,800
uh yeah it's kind of hard to believe

3291
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:34,159
that it didn't have any some type of

3292
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:35,599
track on it

3293
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:38,880
um oh yeah i truly believe it did

3294
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,679
yeah you know i still sit here in awe

3295
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:43,280
listening to this

3296
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:45,440
uh the kecksburg story because it's been

3297
01:53:47,830 --> 01:53:47,040
one that's been on the books for a long

3298
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,840
time and i

3299
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:50,080
to me it's amazing that still to today

3300
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:50,880
new

3301
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:52,880
details emerge and stan you've been

3302
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,320
investigating

3303
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:56,800
for 55 years which i told lon is twice

3304
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:02,629
so you are to be commended sir for your

3305
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:03,679
long service

3306
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:06,960
to this field oh thank you very much yep

3307
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,440
i i'm sure my parents had no idea that

3308
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:11,040
when they gave me that brand new am

3309
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,840
rating on my 10th birthday back in 1959

3310
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:16,239
that that would start me on this

3311
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:17,760
whatever you want to call it this really

3312
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:19,119
unusual search

3313
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:21,840
and that's how it all started right

3314
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,520
around halloween when i'm tuning around

3315
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:24,880
the radio dial that night and there's

3316
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:26,080
some radio shows

3317
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:27,920
talking about flying saucers and haunted

3318
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:29,840
houses and i was a

3319
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:31,199
youngster interested in science

3320
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:32,960
electronics from a very young age and i

3321
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:34,159
got out there and started reading

3322
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:35,280
everything and

3323
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,000
started making scrapbooks and newspaper

3324
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:39,760
stories and that's all it all began

3325
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:42,320
then i'm 16 years old when the kecksburg

3326
01:54:44,629 --> 01:54:43,840
incident happened i started working on

3327
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,639
that case

3328
01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:46,960
that day and i've been pursuing it ever

3329
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,800
since

3330
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:51,040
wow and i think that's a great place to

3331
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:52,960
end for today gentlemen

3332
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:55,440
yeah where it all began stan it's been

3333
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:56,880
an absolute pleasure

3334
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:58,960
to have you on the program i know the

3335
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,960
folks are going to love this program

3336
01:55:04,390 --> 01:55:02,480
lawn any final thoughts questions

3337
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,400
comments i i just want to thank

3338
01:55:08,390 --> 01:55:06,719
stan again for coming along with us uh

3339
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,400
for making himself available to us

3340
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,560
it's great talking to him it's great

3341
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:11,520
talking to you guys too

3342
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,360
i i like to mention that people want to

3343
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:15,679
check out current events uh

3344
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:17,199
current sightings go to my website at

3345
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,880
stan gordon.info

3346
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:20,560
and if they'd like to pick up a copy of

3347
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:22,000
my silent invasion book or willy

3348
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,840
mysterious pennsylvania it's available

3349
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:25,280
on amazon or

3350
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,360
personal copies through my website it's

3351
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,040
great book there you have it folks stan

3352
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:30,800
gordon dot info you've been listening to

3353
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,000
arcane radio sean

3354
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:34,159
forker launch strickler and this week's

3355
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:36,080
special guest stan gordon folks thanks